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Not just Americans, don't forget the physician that obtained the DNA evidence that he threw under the bus by leaking the story.
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Last time I checked.. current law on the books at this moment - signed by the president- has the deficit cut in half at the end of his first term. Some people call it a fiscal cliff... I call it a balanced approach to deficit reduction. If there were a real republican left in washington it would stand.    

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Joe, Obama has a funny way to do that because he is still out there proposing new spending. I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today is the democrat way. Remember when Regan traded amnesty for border security. The amnesty happened but the borders where forgotten after the dems got there part of the deal. Obama will not cut the deficit because it is not in his nature. Even if he gets his new revenue source he will go out and spend it on some new crisis. For Obama "restraint" is something the government mandates in cars, not a fiscal policy.
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That is what you say but it is not what he signed? Should I believe what you say he wants to do or what he does? I am a little distirbed that you feel you know him well enough to know his true nature.

As long as he is a democrat would anything he says or does make any difference to you? The most foolish thing the man has done (and granted it is a big list) is waste 2 years trying to reach accross the isle and work with people whos' number one priority was his failure. If I am to listen to the propaganda he didnt do that.. the republicans didnt filibuster everything for two years...


I can't believe anyone can talk about tax cuts at a time when we owe soo much money and still be considered a conservative or have the balls to bring up the deficit. By Romney's words he wants to bring government spending in the long term down to 20% of GDP and collect taxes that are 18% of GDP? Last I knew 18 was less than 20. Sounds like someone wants to turn the government into a something that does nothing more than tax the working man to pay interest on a debt that will never be repaid to the inheriting man. I would rather jump off the cliff!

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Well Joe what I have seen him do is quadrupled our deficit spending. If he cuts that in half that still means he has doubled it at the end of the day. This is what he does. Lets talk in January at the end of his 1st term and see if it is cut in half. Only then will it be what he does.
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Thats what happens when you lower taxes.. deficit spending goes up. And make no mistake Obama lowered taxes... it was the only way to get a "bipartisan" stimulus enacted. Problem was it was a very inefficent stimulus because tax cuts are an inefficient way to stimulate a demand starved economy. I am dissapointed in Obama myself -- he campaigned on raising taxes and he hasnt been able to get it done. But I dont think that is a reason to run to the guys who have kept him from getting it done and are campaigning on "lowering taxes" but have plans that will raise them on everyone but those that are doing well.

As for the nonsense about providing incentive to "do well"... doing well is its own reward by definition. You can certainly argue for not punishing success but in what world do you need to incentivise it on the back of the working poor?
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Last time I checked.. current law on the books at this moment - signed by the president- has the deficit cut in half at the end of his first term. Some people call it a fiscal cliff... I call it a balanced approach to deficit reduction. If there were a real republican left in washington it would stand.    


So this goes into effect in Sept or October and cuts it overnight? It may be a law on the books but as I read it we are still 15, almost 16 trillion in debt. Since his term ends in November, or ok January that cut is going to have to be powerful to get it in 1/2 by then. That is some balancing act.
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Anyone wanna comment on this video ?
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Bush = BAAAAAAD

Obama = GOOOOOOD

Seemed self explanitory to me.

If I had to guess I'd say Romney = BAAAAAD /   OBAMA = GOOOOOD

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Wait, bad used to mean bad, but then it was "good". Which is it now ?
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How soon we forget,

"drink the cool aid"

You cannot think for yourself, I will tell you what is the correct choice......Jim Jones
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Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:

Anyone wanna comment on this video ?


They think we're stupid.
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Originally posted by boat dr boat dr wrote:

How soon we forget,

"drink the cool aid"

You cannot think for yourself, I will tell you what is the correct choice......Jim Jones


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Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:

Anyone wanna comment on this video ?


Liberal = Hypocrite

Got this in an email this morning.

"I received my tax return for 2011 back from the IRS. It puzzled me and I have been working on it ever since!!!

They questioned how many dependents I claimed. I guess it was because
of my response to the question: "List all dependents"
I replied: 12 million illegal immigrants; 3 million crack heads; 42 million
unemployed people on food stamps, 2 million people in over 243 prisons;
Half of Mexico; and 535 persons in the U.S. House and Senate, and 1 President."

Evidently, this was NOT an acceptable answer.
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Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:

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Since the conversation took us to what is %15, which some think in an infinite number...   I will.






How can you say there is not one benefit to high prices of fuel?
Only the bad effects can be spoken of?

Is it really appropriate to insinuate whatever the commentator is trying to insinuate about Obama when Obamas logic is pretty easy to see.

Here,
Gas prices are high.
People who buy gas at gas stations are hurting.

Gas prices are high.
People that produce gas are not hurting.
In fact, they see record prices almost monthly.


And,
Gas prices are high.
People who buy gas at gas stations are hurting.

Gas prices are high.
People that buy gas in volume on the markets, are not hurting.
   Because they speculate the cost increase, probably from insider information. Not probably, certainly.


And,
Gas prices are high.
People who buy gas at gas stations are hurting.
   In fact, it's actually hurting the economy.

Gas prices are high.
People the produce gas, don't really care about the economy.

In fact, they don't really care about the Earth either. Water lights on fire right out of the kitchen faucet all over the country now. That really is a trip considering how much water my family drinks from our faucet.

Do the people who buy gas at gas stations want lower prices.
Is a hybrid one way to go?

Saving 2,200 lives and 1,000 lives is a good thing.   Saving more would be greater, but those statements are the truth.




If I had to drive a gas guzzler, I do, but it doesn't get used for anything but it's intended use, pulling a boat, it's the price I chose to pay. I used to run several trucks for profit here in the USA, had to be trucks too, not hybrids. Hybrid trucks are out there, but not when I was in the market. Fuel prices go up, so does my bill to you.

I buy a hybrid truck, your bill still goes up, but at least that profit didn't go in the gas tank. Just follow the trail of hybrid production. Now we just need to figure out a way to not use the toxic batteries.


Burning fuel for pleasure and necessity is expensive. Obamas is not pocketing the oil money. If you do not like the idea of different transportation ideas, then what do you want Obama to do about it?   Intrude on the precisious private sector to manipulate the producers? Yeah, that's not going to happen, republicans and teahaddists hate that idea.

I think that video only highlights a problem we have right now, and not sure Obama is the man for the job, because buying a hybrid is only one part of the solution, convincing the rest of America we have a problem brewing is the hardest part and one he has yet to do.




Obamas not telling you to get rid of the biggest single gas user you have, your Correct Craft.
Don't you agree that Prisus and Volts are pretty good? Like in all around? Environmentally, and for the economy. Less so for the gas producers.

I love the part in the video where Obama asks about, Gas guzzling suv monster truck 8 mpg, and the guy in the audience says "Yeah" before the President is even finished, as if to say, " Hell yeah I do! It's the baddest in the entire neighborhood!"    He is proud of that.


THe title says hypocrisy, no doubt he is talking about Obama, but I thought he was on the same side of the issue on both clips. Whining alone about high prices is useless. What about the solution?







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Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Originally posted by boat dr boat dr wrote:

How soon we forget,

"drink the cool aid"

You cannot think for yourself, I will tell you what is the correct choice......Jim Jones


Get 'em Doc!   



Who was the guy that cried;

" The sky is falling, The sky is falling!!!!!"

Do ya get my point???

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Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:

Originally posted by ononewheel ononewheel wrote:



I'm really interested in this percentage isn't a number theory you speak of. I don't have a math book. Could you expand on that thought of yours?




Seth, How many dollars is 15 percent? get it?




You're right how many dollars is %15 for tax years of say 2005-2010?
Whatever,   we are talking Romney here.

If you do not know where the money is, or all of it, how can there be 15%

Or in other words, %15 may or may not equal zero for Romney.






You'll probably think it's still more important to see Obamas grades.



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Me.


But we are on to Medicare in a within a few posts I'd guess.



Romneys budget next.   Bwahhh !

Could he squirm any less than Ryan under Hume's questioning?
Not even possible.

Do you even know what that does to, nevermind.
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Boehner says,

"at least he's [Ryan] not a knuckle dragger' like some of them"

Who's them?

Did he just call the TEA party something.


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How many tea party patriots does it take to change a lightbulb? Ten million and five: One to go to Wal-Mart and buy a lightbulb (and a gun because he’s going to the store anyway), one to scoff at global climate change, one to draw a rally poster making fun of Al Gore, one to complain about the socialist conspiracy to bring light to all Americans, one to change the bulb, and 10 million to sit in the dark even though the light is on.
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Seth, Regarding fuel prices, fuel is the lubricant of the economy, PURPOSELY driving up costs when you are trying to improve the economy is like purposely pushing on the brake and the gas at the same time in your car and wondering why it is going so slow. It is sabotage in the name of ideology. If the alternatives are so great, we will adopt them, if they are not ready yet we should use the fuels we have until the others can compete. Ethanol has proven to be a disaster, we supplement a dollar of each gallon, it takes nearly as much energy to distil as it produces, it produces less energy per gallon in vehicles thus increasing the amounts that have to be moved,it creates more particulate pollution than gas, and uses massive amounts of ground water for irrigation. Farmers used to rotate crops and idle land to let the soil rejuvenate and leave a home for little creatures,. Not anymore. Now we are seeing what happens when you get a drought that wipes out a grown fuel. Corn prices are rising far faster than oil. The government is now buying cattle because farmers cant afford to feed them. Now the people going to food shelves are going to get steak, while I am choking down rice because my corn based groceries are going through the roof. What do you when you have cornered yourself with green energy mandates, and cant meet them due to weather? Wind power only works when the wind blows, solar when the sun shines, but those little oil wells pump 24-7, and it does not rain or snow in a coal mine.
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Here is today's out of control government story.


EXCLUSIVE: State Department oversight of climate change spending abroad is a mess, watchdog reports

.....The audit report, issued last month by the State Department’s Office of the Inspector General (OIG), casts an unflattering spotlight on a relatively obscure branch of the State Department that supervises climate change spending, and depicts it as over-extended in its responsibilities, unstaffed in critical monitoring posts, and more concerned with spending money than in monitoring its effectiveness......

According to a State Department website, the U.S. has contributed some $5.1 billion in climate change funding to developing countries in 2010 and 2011 alone, with additional money still pouring forth in 2012.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/15/exclusive-state-department-oversight-climate-change-spending-abroad-is-mess/#ixzz23huvE8ra


These reports come out nearly every day. Imagine a local food shelf that was found to have 10% of its donations unaccounted for, and employees taking home all the steaks, leaving the hamburger for the patrons, and maybe sending some food to be resold at a local convenience store that was a friend of the organization. Would this food shelf survive? would people continue to donate? This is the type of stuff our government does with OUR money, but we don't have the choice to stop donating. There is an inherent obligation to the tax payers to spend our money well, and all the fraud and waste should be addressed before they ask for another penny.
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ABC News story
Taxpayers Subsidize CEO Pay, Report Says
By Susanna Kim | ABC News – 12 hrs ago

The Institute for Policy Studies, a self-described "progressive multi-issue think tank," analyzed the link between tax loopholes and excessive executive compensation and concluded that the loopholes created an "uneven playing field" between large companies and small businesses and led to lost tax revenue.
The latest edition of the institute's annual Executive Excess compensation study found that in 2011, 26 CEOs received more in compensation than their companies paid in taxes, and that the four major tax loopholes contributing to excessive executive pay cost taxpayers about $14.4 billion a year.
"The report is timely at a time when the tax debate is so intense in this country," Sarah Anderson, the institute's global economy project director and the report's co-author, told ABC News. "Some leaders are saying we need to reduce the corporate tax burden even more while major companies are taking advantage of loopholes to lower their tax bill."
The report critiqued the major tax loopholes, including the preferential treatment of "carried interest" income for hedge fund managers. "Carried interest" income can be taxed as capital gains - at 15 percent tops - instead of at 35 percent, the top income tax rate. The Congressional Budget Office's projected estimate for "carried interest" income - revenue from investment income or dividends - for 2012 to 2021 was $21.4 billion.
Companies can deduct executive pay as a business expense, just as they do inventory and appreciation. Because of a tax rule enacted in the early 1990s that limited the amount of cash that could be deducted to $1 million, corporations have increasingly paid executives in stock options. Corporations can exempt stock option compensation, and other performance-based pay, from taxation.

"We need to keep chipping away at the myth that massive payouts are necessary to attract talented managers," she said. "Having a meaningful deductibility cap would send the right message, and at least taxpayers wouldn't have to continue to subsidize excessive pay."
The report points to the largest beneficiaries of the tax loopholes, saying they benefit the most from the unlimited tax deductibility of executive paybecause their compensation has the largest proportion of deductible, performanced-based pay.
Oracle's Larry Ellison, the sixth richest person in the world with a net worth of $36 billion, according to Forbes, tops the list, and is followed by Discovery Communications' David Zaslav; Viacom's Philippe Dauman; Motorola Mobility Holdings' Sanjay Jha; and CBS Corp.'s Leslie Moonves.
Neither Oracle, Discovery Communications, Viacom and Motorola Mobility Holdings returned calls requesting comment. A spokeswoman for CBS Corp. and a spokeswoman for Discovery declined to comment.

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I know how to save $15,000,000,000 of taxpayer money EVERY YEAR.

Federal lawmakers have used taxpayer's money to build and maintain the world's most expansive and expensive network of airports — 2,834 of them nationwide — with no scheduled passenger flights. Known as general-aviation airports, they operate separately from the 139 well-known commercial airports that handle almost all passenger flights.

In the first full accounting of the 28-year-old Airport Improvement Program, USA TODAY found that Congress has directed $15 billion to general-aviation airports, which typically are tucked on country roads and industrial byways.

That's a lot of money just to insure that wealthy airplane owners can bore holes in the sky on my tax dollars!
This $15,000,000,000 does not even include the tax dollars spent at the state, county, and city level.

Here is the bottom line taken directly from the DuPage County Airport Authority's year end statement which is available on the interweb.


Provide the appropriation for the primary government listed in the first row of the table below.

Name of Unit/Component

Dupage Airport Authority           12/31/11      

Total Appropriations      $41,119,975      

*How many full time employees are paid?      63
*How many part time employees are paid?      16
What is the total salary paid to all employees?      $2,849,252

*Do not include contractual employees.
            
    *Do not include funds such as: Joint Bridge, Permanent Road, Town Fund, Equipment, Water & Sewer, General Assistance, etc.

This is just one local airport that serves DuPage County in Illinois, and includes my home town of Glen Ellyn. The airport authority subsidizes the airplane owners in pursuit of their "hobby" to the tune of $42.69 for every resident, man, woman, and child, in DuPage County.

END THE SUBSIDIES, MAKE THE RICH AIRCRAFT OWNERS PAY FOR THEIR HOBBY.
Disclaimer: I am a former pilot and aircraft owner, and I based my Cessna at DuPage County Airport. Therefore I am guilty of using your tax dollars for my hobby. I sold the Cessna and quit flying in 2000.
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I hear 2.5 billion for the "Big boy-Mars toy"?   of coarse some important info needed here...

Goals and objectives

To contribute to these goals, MSL has six main scientific objectives:[12][22]
1.Determine the mineralogical composition of the Martian surface and near-surface geological materials.
2.Attempt to detect chemical building blocks of life (biosignatures).
3.Interpret the processes that have formed and modified rocks and soils.
4.Assess long-timescale (i.e., 4-billion-year) Martian atmospheric evolution processes.
5.Determine present state, distribution, and cycling of water and carbon dioxide.
6.Characterize the broad spectrum of surface radiation, including galactic radiation, cosmic radiation, solar proton events and secondary neutrons.

As part of its exploration, it also measured the radiation exposure in the interior of the spacecraft as it traveled to Mars, and it is continuing radiation measurements as it explores the surface of Mars. This data would be important for a future manned mission.[23]
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John, I agree with you, if they are not collecting fees to cover the cost then get out. This of course goes for light rail and Amtrac also for the same reason.
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I understand why you may feel that way about light rail and Amtrak, but they are forms of transportation that are accessible to the general public. GA airports are not. If you don't own your own airplane or want to charter a corporate jet than the airport is of no use to you whatsoever. I think you have to weigh light rail and Amtrak on a scale that includes the impact on cities, roads, parking, use of imported oil and pollution. On an energy efficiency basis light rail is pretty good. I use the Glen Ellyn Metra to Amtrak downtown Chicago to Springfield now and then, it is nice service. US is one of the few developed countries without a good ground based transportation system like light rail. A system like in France, China, or Japan could get me from Chicago to New York in about 5 hours. It is expensive to build, but much less expensive to operate than the airport system we have. I think you just have to choose very high density routes. It may not be the right time to spend money on them right now however.
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