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Insurance??? What's that?

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Glad to hear everyone is okay and you're on the road to getting the boat fixed...

Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

I also think it is the same blue that matches the side of the boat. I was wondering if it was common to spray the whole boat one color first and then cover with the white?



Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the boats are built from the outside in. The gel coat is the first thing sprayed into the hull mold.

Some of the pictures I’ve seen on CC’s web site (under factory tour), it looks like they tape off the stripe and spray the hull color first. Then pull the tape and spray the colored stripe.

Is it possible, since the white is already on the mold, they just blast away with color…?

I'm sorry, this is a Correct Craft. They carefully apply a generous coat of the colored gel...


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Thanks Kyle...I knew it was sprayed in like you said, but I couldn't figure how they did the other color.
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Originally posted by 66Skylark 66Skylark wrote:

Glad to hear everyone is okay and you're on the road to getting the boat fixed...

Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

I also think it is the same blue that matches the side of the boat. I was wondering if it was common to spray the whole boat one color first and then cover with the white?



Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the boats are built from the outside in. The gel coat is the first thing sprayed into the hull mold.

Some of the pictures I’ve seen on CC’s web site (under factory tour), it looks like they tape off the stripe and spray the hull color first. Then pull the tape and spray the colored stripe.

Is it possible, since the white is already on the mold, they just blast away with color…?

I'm sorry, this is a Correct Craft. They carefully apply a generous coat of the colored gel...


Kyle


Yes, The mold is female. The area for the highlight color in this case the blue would be masked off on the surface of the mold. The white is sprayed on, the mask is removed and then the blue gel is sprayed.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Riley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April-29-2008 at 3:22pm
I think that's your answer. The Malibu Skiers from the 1980s had more detailed and dare I say better gel coat than most other boats at the time. They had multi colors and I have seen the same thing with those boats. A deep scratch in the white gel reveals an accent color underneath.
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Eric-
Thanks for the info.

Anything else I should make sure they look for with a situation like this.

I am kind of torn on where to take it. If I use the shop that the ins. co. suggested, they will garantee the work for life. When I went to that marinas web site, it seems they are more of an outboard specialist. Nowhere to they even mention inboard.

I would rather take to the CC dealer here in town, but then I get no kind of waranty or garantee. I have a call in the the CC dealer to see what they do offer, but I am fairly certain it is not a lifetime garantee.
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Forgive my ignorance...what is the PCM-40?
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Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

Forgive my ignorance...what is the PCM-40?


That may be the engine you have...I don't know.

My first call would be to Woody at SECC. I've sort-of gotten to know him and he knows his CC's. See if CC will give you a warranty. They do have a rep to protect and if you were on the St. John's, you're not too far away.
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PS-He knows me as 'Greg on Lanier' (buffalo too) so don't tell him who sent you or you may have to pay double?!!? LOL

Woody, if you see this many thanks for your help!!!   
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Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

Forgive my ignorance...what is the PCM-40?


That may be the engine you have...I don't know.

You guys gotta pay attention... that was Eric's comment- what do you think it is?
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That is what I thought he meant, but I have never heard any engine refeered to as the PCM-40.
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Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

That is what I thought he meant, but I have never heard any engine refeered to as the PCM-40.

Its the transmission!
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with that lifetime guarentee Bull shi-----its a shop that will cut thier hourly rate to get the insurance companies work,when they cut the hourly rate they have a tendency to make it up somewhere else, its the insurance company that is giving you the lifetime warranty, its a sales pitch, take it to woody down there who knows these boats and repairs them right the first time so you dont have to worry about a lifetime warranty. you as a consumer have the legal option to take the boat to whoever you want to have the repairs done. its worth the extra effort if you have to travel to find someone reputable such as SECC
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That is why I said forgive my ignorance. I have never heard the transmission refeered to as PCM-40 either. I have heard Power Plus, 1.23:1, but never PCM-40. I am sorry. Now I know.

Anyway, dropped the boat off yesterday to this marina. I asked if they did much inboard work and the lady at the front was like, yeah, we have one guy that does all outboards, but the ohter three do I/O's. I was thinking that is great, but what about true inboards, and she said they work on those as well.

I am starting to lean towards what you said Eric. I want to see what they write up on the estimate, but I think I want to take it to a CC dealer.
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Adam, Before you pull that boat out of that marina, bring your wrench and feeler gauge along and pull the coupling apart to do a quick alignment/bent shaft check!! Look for sledge hammer marks on the couplings too!


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Pete-
I assume you are talking about after it is "fixed"?
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Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

Pete-
I assume you are talking about after it is "fixed"?


I think he wants you to read between the lines...?
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Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

Pete-
I assume you are talking about after it is "fixed"?


I think he wants you to read between the lines...?


Sorry, Yes after it is "fixed".


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out of the 2 bottem hits i have done with PCM transmissions in them, both forward drums were cracked, insist on an inspect and leave the claim open.
who is your insurance company? are they going to depreciate? it sounds like you have a name brand insurance company because they are steering you to one of thier cut rate repair shops
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I talked to the marina today. They are putting together an estimate and I feel like I am about to get screwed on this one.

I asked about the trans and they said they ran the engine and it was cooling properly. So what, what does that have to do with the trans? They said the trans looks good and there is no need to tear it apart to inspect it.

I told them that is fine and dandy right now, but what happens 10 hours from now when $hit starts falling apart. Am I crazy to think that that kind of shock to the drive train could cause some damage to the trans? They said they will have a estimate by Monday and will call me to go over it, but I do not think I will be happy unless it includes going over the trans and engine too.

Any advice on dealing with insurance companies and repair facilities?

Eric-
I tried calling your shop, but it went to voice mail. Can you give me a call, I would like to bounce a few questions off of you. 517-410-3254.

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Like Eric has stressed, I wouldnt have even let that shop touch my boat. Why not take it to SECC to be fixed properly?
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I am starting to lean in that direction. I am waiting to see what they are including in the estimate. If it does not meet my expectations, I will make the drive to SECC.   Guarantee or not, at least I will have peace of mind that knowledgeable people did the repairs.

Just a waiting game now that the boat is already at that shop.

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Adam, shouldn't you have a couple of estimates anyway, I'd be on my way over to SECC. You're boat is still worth a fair amount of money and has to be put back perfectly, accept nothing less.
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Just talked to SECC. They can not even look at the boat for 3 weeks. Kind of sucks, but it may be worth it. In general, do you guys trust the local CC dealerships? Are their techs any good?

Have a question for you prop gurus out there. They are going to have to buy a new prop, who ever does the repair, so I called Delta to get their recomendation for the best prop. They sugested a Acme 422, 12.5 x 15 4 blade. The old prop was original OJ 14x16 3 blade. I was getting 41 MPH @ 4100 RPM. Delta said the Acme would get me a better hole shot, top speed and MPG's for $375. Do you guys agree?

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Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

Have a question for you prop gurus out there. They are going to have to buy a new prop, who ever does the repair, so I called Delta to get their recomendation for the best prop. They sugested a Acme 422, 12.5 x 15 4 blade. The old prop was original OJ 14x16 3 blade. I was getting 41 MPH @ 4100 RPM. Delta said the Acme would get me a better hole shot, top speed and MPG's for $375. Do you guys agree?

Adam, the 422 would be an improvement, but the 470 or 1442 3-blades are superior props. With the performance youre seeing, Id go 470. 41mph @ 4100 RPM is pretty lackluster, by the way- tune that thing up when you get it back!
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

Have a question for you prop gurus out there. They are going to have to buy a new prop, who ever does the repair, so I called Delta to get their recomendation for the best prop. They sugested a Acme 422, 12.5 x 15 4 blade. The old prop was original OJ 14x16 3 blade. I was getting 41 MPH @ 4100 RPM. Delta said the Acme would get me a better hole shot, top speed and MPG's for $375. Do you guys agree?

Adam, the 422 would be an improvement, but the 470 or 1442 3-blades are superior props. With the performance youre seeing, Id go 470. 41mph @ 4100 RPM is pretty lackluster, by the way- tune that thing up when you get it back!


This is the second time in a week that I've seen Delta recommend a 4 blade. I wonder if it was the same guy and if for some reason he doesn't know his props. Ether that or they have a over stock of 4 blades that they are trying to unload??? If they do, Delta should run the broach through the bore and turn them into MC splines!! Sell them to the MC guys!!


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Pete, dont get me wrong- the 422 is a great prop. I just feel that the 3-blades are better, especially on the pre-97 1.23 boats that can run that larger diameter wheels. On the newer boats, the 422 is a great option for those with 300+ hp who dont want to turn over 5k RPM with the 470.
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Adam, better a CC dealership than an I/O repair place
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Agreed. 41 MPH I actually already have everything to tune it up. It all came in the mail about 2 days after the accident as I already had it ordered before. I have a distributer rebuild kit, new plugs and wires, and carb rebuild kit on the way. Anything else I should be looking at as far as tune up?

Thanks for the advice guys. That is why I love this site, getting advice from guys that actually use the products rather than sell them. I will definetly check out the 3 blades. Did I read that you are allowed to test the prop for a period of time?

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Can one of you guys tell me how the different measurments on a prop effect performance, ect.

I am sure that has been discussed before, but the search feature is not working. Not sure if just me or other are having trouble as well?

The 470 is 12.5x15 w/ .105 cup and the 1442 is 13.25x15 w/.90 cup.

Are these two compairable because of the different cup, even with the diameter difference?

Sorry for all the rookie questions.

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