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8122pbrainard
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Monty, Are you sure it was Pseudotsuga menziesii (Douglas Fir)? Was it labeled as such or just "Fir"? The SPF (spruce, pine, fir) "white woods" is very broad with 48-55 species of evergreen conifers. A common "fir" in the SPF group would be a "Balsam" Fir. Mo. is a pretty long distance from the Pacific Northwest!!!! |
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79TiqueRebuild
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The Lowes I shop at had Douglas fir in 1xs it was back by the hardwoods.
I had to dig through them to get good ones though. Monty |
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8122pbrainard
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Scott,
The common 1x's you'll find at Lowes most likely be a pine which is fine. There will however be a couple grades. Look at the prices. My concern with the common #1&2 would be moisture content, cupping, twisting, bowing and of course the knots. |
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srbranum
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BKH,
That's exactly what I am going to do. I plan on placing a short 1X stringer butted up against this 2" stringer and the other side as well that is approximately the length of the engine and 1/2" shorter to accomodate the flooring. The floor area in front of and behind the engine will be knotched out to accept the plywood. Can somebody tell me what type of wood to buy at Lowe's for the secondaries? They should be a piece of cake compared to this. Can't wait to do those after cutting this piece. scott |
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bkhallpass
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I am not sure, but I think you will need to set your primaries 1/2 toward the gunnels. I am guessing that if you set them 1/2 inch toward the centerline of the boat, you may have trouble with the engine mounts. ICBW. I'm not entirley familiar with the engine mounts/width on your style of boat.
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srbranum
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Happy Days, Happy Days, Huray for the home team.........!!!!! I got the stringer cut and its perfect. Used only a skill saw and an antique scribe tool of my grandfathers and a good eye and it worked out great. I may have to widen the channel it sits in because this board is two an actual 2 inches. I already checked the channel the exhaust pipe sits in and I have enough room for the two inch width. Should be just a matter of grinding a little fiberglass/gelcoat off. Thanks for all you guys support and advice. I consider placing the two primaries one of the most difficult parts of the project. |
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Keeganino
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Thickened epoxy fixes everything stop worrying
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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bkhallpass
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Scott,
I don't have all the fancy tools either. I used a skill saw and jigsaw to cut the stringers, and I used my 4" grinder to the shaping. I am very pleased with the fit. BKH |
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WakeSlayer
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I remember a local hardware rental place wanted $75 per day to rent a chainsaw I needed for a weekend. I went and bought a little one for $160 and it lasted me 10 years before it gave up the ghost.
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srbranum
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Well, after waking up and worrying about cutting this board for 24 hours, I am going to go out and do the rough cut and look over it again taking in everyone's comments. I think I might be visiting Harbor Freight in the morning. I can rent a power planer for $35/day for two days for both stringers or $70 or buy one at harbor freight for $29(I have a good coupon). Will let you know the good or bad news.
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FrankT
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Jig saw work fine for us. Just make sure you have some good blades. Watch any tight radiuses as sometimes the blade will have the tendency to bend and cut a different pattern on the bottom.
If your old stringer is usable as a pattern I would use it as opposed to a dimensioned drawing (although we dimensioned the old before it was removed not knowing how it would come out). We did as Mike did, traced the old, cut, then clamped the two pieces together, and cut the bottom angle with a power planner to match the original. My son used the power planner and I followed with a hand planner to clean it up. For the drain holes on the bottom of stringer we did not cut as tall as a hole as others, only about an inch, and we located them at the low spot when on the trailer and about at the water pick ups in the rear. On the top of the stringer we cut only as required for the engine mounts of the engine we are putting back in. I looks like CC cut the originals to accommodate a verity of engines. The notches for the floor battens is really your call. We are at 12" on center which worked well with the flooring material layout, seat base, and is tight enough so 1/2" material can be used. The secondary stringers follow the primary. FrankT |
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WakeSlayer
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I was planning on using the bandsaw for the 67SN stringers. However, my brother proclaimed he could do it with a jigsaw, and did so perfectly. I just plain suck with a jigsaw so I would not have tried it, but they came out exact.
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8122pbrainard
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Scott,
Sorry my description is hard to understand. Sometimes putting a process into words isn't easy! If your old stringers did come out and still fit fairly good to the hull, then you can rely on them more just as Mike did. A band saw is idea for cutting the curvature but I understand we all don't have one. Next best toll I would choose would be the hand power circular saw - "Skil saw". No it won't go around corners but will rough cut in sections. Just be careful!! Your jig saw for ripping 2" isn't going to hack it!! Do look into a power hand planer. I believe Harbor tool has a basic inexpensive one. |
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srbranum
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I think this is over my head. Got a guy coming over in the morning to try and help me. I know its probably not hard but if you have never done it and just spent 7hrs. retrieving the wood and the money I paid and thinkig I am fixing to ruin the wood, it's pretty overwhelming. Are the secondary stringers cut the same way? What tool did you use to cut the rough cut with? I don't think my jigsaw is big enough. I could rent one locally if needed. One more, how do I find topics using the search function and where do I look for the stringer patterns members used now that I have decided to not put foam back in the rebuild? Off to work. Thanks again, Pete. scott |
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WakeSlayer
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+1 on the power planar!!!
My stringers came out intact. I cut the long side, stood them on the tops, and duplicated them to their respective originals with the power planar. I bet it did not take 20 minutes each. |
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8122pbrainard
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Scott, Use the old stringer for just the rough cutting as I wouldn't really trust it. Remember that CC didn't do the greatest of jobs!! You'll need to actually do the final fitting of the curvature/angle to the hull. You'll want to set the new stringer in place after the rough cut setting it level and plumb then scribe it in place. Some fixturing/clamping will be needed. Scribing: Measure the distance the height needs to go down, set one of the cheap dime store compasses to that dimension, pull the compass down the length of the hull. The pencil will make the contour of the hull. Do the same on both sides and it will indicate the bevel. The best tool to finish this curvature/bevel off is the power hand planer. |
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srbranum
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Good grief I just spent 50 minutes staring at my old stringer sitting on top of the new stringer and cannot figure out how to cut the angle side of the new board to match the contour of the boat hull. You would think its just a matter of copying the old board but its not that easy. Any suggestions? |
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FrankT
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This would be an example - behind a toon no less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcBgBJsIeD8 I think the guy in the middle is upset because he can't find the TV remote. FrankT |
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Ok, go ahead and let me have it ..........what's a tuber?
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WakeSlayer
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I did not realize you had the plates out. Definitely replace. I thought you just had the pipes out.
Pete really hates silicon. And tubers. |
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8122pbrainard
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Scott,
Through the silicone out!! Everyones correct that the stuff isn't the greatest. You haven't been around long enough to know there are several things I'm very opinionated about. One of them is silicone!!! Have you ever noticed it doesn't stick very well at times? It won't even stick to itself. As mentioned, go with 5200 or 4200 which has slightly less adhesive qualities. BTW, a couple others are tubers and of course keepin it original!! |
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One little bit of black is the beginning of it turning to mush over the next few years. Like Frank said it will not take much extra time to replace them.
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One small bit of black at the bottom but otherwise it looks brand new. Now I have to do the other side. Thanks for ya'lls input.
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WakeSlayer
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Those look surprisingly good.
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The new Doug Fir underneath the old one(Gas tank end)
Exhaust hole from the outside(The yellow is some sort of glue) Exhause hole from the inside: |
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WakeSlayer
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Do NOT use silicon. If in fact the wood is in really good shape, I think it is ok to get after the rest of the project. I do NOT think this is the right way to do it, but you guys that are in the beginning phases of your stringer jobs simply are not going to have boats this year if you do not get going quickly. I would prefer you replaced it.
Use 3m 5200 Marine Sealant, and glass around the back side of it like it was. You were probably taking water in there if it just came free after removing the flange. Not replacing the wood at this time is just my opinion and I expect to be flamed a bit for it. But you do want a boat to use pretty soon. |
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FrankT
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One of mine was bad, one was good. You could see moisture wicking out in the dust if you let it sit overnight. It will only take a half hour or so to cut them out now. If you wait your new stringers will be in the way and the process will be much more challenging. I am still researching a material to put back in lieu of wood. Some type of poly wood be nice. All these pieces do is pick up the trim ring screws and provide an additional thickness for sealing. My original pipes where glassed in and I plan on using a marine adhesive/sealant when I reinstall.
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I just took the four screws off the flange from the outside and tapped the whole thing out with a hammer. No damage to the wood anywhere around the diameter of the hole. I could epoxy the wood and reinstall the flange with some silicon.
Let me just post a picture of the hole and the stringer and that would be better than writing everything. Thanks for the speedy response. scott |
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So you just left the plate, and just removed the pipe? You are lucky if it is in that good of shape. Did you check both? or just one.
In the interest of time, I would say leave it, and repair it later if necessary. You really need to get cracking on the stringer structure in order to have the boat for the summer. That is the only reason I would suggest putting it off. If this were November or December, I would say do it regardless. Mine were over half mush. Just black soup. Just a time sensitive suggestion is all. |
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Need advise:
I took the exhaust flange out of the transom and looked at the wood. I can't even get any wood to come off using a screwdriver or digging tool. The wood seems solid. Can I just paint a thin coating of epoxy on it and reinstall it instead of cutting it out? Don't know the condiction of the rudder base but it looks clean as well. Please let me know something asap. Working on the boat now.' scott |
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