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Dreaming
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WSNW - don't look too hard for a problem that is not there... Not operating an engine at temperature can have all kinds of different performance effects. get your thermostat in, and see if that corrects the issues you are having. Summer is coming!... supposed to hit 70 this next week
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WakeskateNW
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I bet most boats wouldn't have an issue running without a thermostat. My boat definitely prefers being warm. Perhaps that points to other underlying issues I haven't discovered yet.
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MechGaT
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OK. I didn't realize no t-stat would cause that noticeable of a problem.
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WakeskateNW
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Well the water in my lake is currently ice cold glacier run off and the engine couldn't warm up to a temperature it liked during normal operating conditions. it was just acting cold blooded all the time and apparently it was just enough to stall the engine. Unfortunately the local nautique dealer gave me the 160 stat instead of the 143 one I asked for but when operating at 180 degrees the shift issue is gone. Going to get the correct thermostat later this week and hopefully will see the temp gauge reading in the 160 range.
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MechGaT
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Help me out, how does the lack of a thermostat cause a problem shifting into fwd?
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WakeskateNW
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Last night after running the boat hard across the lake I had a moment of clarity about my issue after paying close attention to the temp gauge. Following my hunch I pulled the thermostat housing and whaddyaknow?.... no thermostat!
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phatsat67
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Likely a vacuum leak or too lean air/fuel idle mixture. Start tuning and buy a cheap vacuum gauge. Vacuum should be at least 15 inches idling in gear pushing against the trailer. Also, check initial ignition timing. Retarded timing can make it lazy at idle.
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WakeskateNW
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swam under the lift today after my set to give the prop a spin, and I am happy to report my prop spins freely both directions with one finger. My idle was a little low but bumped it up to 10 with the engine warm. Still has the stalling issue so turning focus to carb tuning and cable adjustment.
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KENO
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Well, Cool Hand hasn't logged in since Dec 2 2010 so I don't think you'll be getting an answer from him. I think I'd start by looking at making sure the throttle and shift cable and carb are adjusted correctly before assuming that an out of alignment shaft will cause your problem. It's gonna be out of alignment whether it's turning frontwards or backwards. You didn't mention whether you have a tough to turn shaft.in your boat. Being an 89 You would have a PCM transmission with a 1:23 to 1 fwd ratio and about a 1.8 to 1 reverse ratio but the slightly higher load due to the gearing difference when you put it in fwd is not the problem unless you have tuneup issues or like mentioned earlier, cable adjustment problems. |
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WakeskateNW
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Can anyone confirm that it was a misaligned shaft causing stalling when shifting from neutral into forward? I am having the same issue in my '89; shifts perfect into reverse but stalls half the time when going into forward.
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eric lavine
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figure the boat is 18 years old and probably never aligned, I think you'll be surprised
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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cool hand
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Spent a few minutes looking at it lastnight again. It seems to spin harder counterclockwise than clockwise. I read Erics alignment thread a couple times familiarizing myself with that process.
It looks like to really have good access to this stuff I need to pull the back seat that section of floor. |
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kapla
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definetely looks like you need to work on the alligment..
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cool hand
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Ok, update time again.
Took it out lake freeman saturday and the engine ran good. If anything then engine seems to keep running better. However, in the water I was checking the resistance on the prop and there seems to be a lot. Definitely doesn't spin freely in neutral. Using my feet to spin the prop (neck deep in water), I could spin it with my feet, but it was fairly hard to rotate. Resistance seems the same both directions, but it I had to push with my foot fairly hard to get it to rotate at all. |
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Lucas Clark
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akabulla
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Throw some water on the strut bearing and you should be able to rotate it with one finger.
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79nautique
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it will have a small amount of reistance but not much and it should be uniform for 360 degrees and it doesn't matter how many turns. If it sticks or has more resistance in one area verses another then the alignment is off and needs adjusted.
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cool hand
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Define easily? Should I be able to spin it and how many rotations should it spin if I were to try and give it a wing?
Maybe i could get a turnover resistance using a small torque wrench. Havent checked, will try and check tonight. |
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Lucas Clark
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eric lavine
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can you get under the boat and spin the prop easily with one hand?
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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cool hand
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Update
Boat ran and did not sink. Not sure the packing nut is exactly right, but its good enough for now, though there is a bit of a story to tell with that. I'll print off a tutorial and set it up again for good measure next time out. I think the carb, while needing some adjustment and a good cleanup up is fine. I still think theres something lugging the drivetrain in FWD. When it engages is drags the engine down 750 to 1000 rpms causing a need for a 1200-1400 idle. We did this and it worked good enough all week (read not stalling on every engagement). Thanks to chris for stopping by and giving me the newbie once thru on nautique as I've still got a lot to learn. Now I got to get caught up on work here. |
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79nautique
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well I'm a little worried actually. Monday laying in bed trying to go to sleep, I start to question myself, did I leave the inspection cover off the packing gland or did I re-install it, did he remember to check the adjustment and attach the saftywire after I tighten it up and explain to him how to adjust it and hope I left it off to remind him to check it when they got there.
I'm worried it backed off while he was driving then when they got back to the dock or house boat and it took on water....little anxiuos to say the least. |
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87BFN owner
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Hope his vacation is goin well..
Great job Chris, on going to help him get her running. |
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8122pbrainard
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Chris, It sure was great of you to help out. Nice. Sure sounds like N3 put the kid out back sweeping the floors on this one! It sure is disappointing to hear about them. But, it looks like they still charged full rate!!:
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79nautique
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that is just sick in so many ways. But What I found yesterday was, a loose, cable on the new battery install, a loose spark plug, and several loose carb bolts, and throttle cable adjustment issues as well. So what I feel was the main issue and I hope I corrected the issue since we didn't water test it, but the cable adjustment being off actuall was pulling it off the idle curcuit and I think there might be some varness on one mixture curcuit, so I made some adjustment to the carb and linkage and hope all is well. I pointed out a couple things for him to check and adjust once he's on the water so hopefully they no issues on vacation. |
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kapla
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i´m freezing down here so some guys in sweated t-shirts is a nice turn on for me..
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horkn
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Notice I said "dealer"? |
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79nautique
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not sure if you want to see our sweaty aces it's smoking hot today and the humidity is out the roof. Heading over that way now so I'll see what's up.
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kapla
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Might wanna have a camera handy and post some pics of the gathering!!!
CCF members meeting to help each other are way cool... |
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GottaSki
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Don't get us started.... |
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cool hand
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Ok, got a hold of chris. You guys are great!!
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Lucas Clark
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kapla
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He is online so I wonder why he ain´t called ya by now?
hope to have news here... |
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