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you got lucky on that one... Glad all is ok..
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Sure that wasn't from the wife's latest trip to the grocery store? Glad everyone is OK, good driving.
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It looks as though the recent rain has canceled all baseball games for the weekend. So, it looks as though I might get a full day to work on the stringers. I'm hoping that I have something to report on Monday.

Also, I want to share a story from last weekend. My son and I took off late Saturday to fish. On the way home early Monday morning (I was going to drop him off at school on the way home) we ran into a rain/snow storm coming through Campo. I slowed down to about 45, when my truck started sliding from the right lane across all lanes towards the left side of the freeway. I could see my bass boat out the side window trying to pass us. I threw it in 4 wheel drive trying to gain control. I then started spinning with the boat still in tow. But this time we were sliding to the slow lane again. Again, I could see the boat out the side window. I told my son to hang on, as we went off the freeway (slow lane side) and hit a huge hill. Thankfully we hit a hill, because there are lots of cliffs in this area. Once we hit the hill, I gassed it and jerked the boat out of traffic. Now we were sitting on the right side of the freeway, facing the wrong direction, but safe from traffic.

The boat is what saved us. It came around and hit the right rear quarter panel, but as the bow hit the truck, it stop the trailer from completely going around. If it was a flat bed, we would of been toast.

Pretty scary.

Amazing, no damage to the boat and only $1,500 damage to the truck.

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On my first stringer I had problems with bubbles in between layers and that is when I started throwing down multiple layers at once totally wet. The stitches on the edge of the tape creates a raised area that is difficult to top without creating a bubble if you do it one at a time. WHen it all went down together wet the layers meld together and I had less of a problem with bubbles.
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I have to agree with Tim and Pete since they're both Poobies. I started my learning curve on the slow side and learned what worked as I went. Temp, humidity, hardener, and your wife's general attitude will affect hardening time...in more ways than one!

I spent a good bit of time on the phone with Billy discussing the importance of 'keeping it green'(Thanks again Doc!). All that means is the difference between chemical bonding and adhesion. When you're planning to work on a stringer, try do do it all in the same run. Maintain the tack between the layers and it cures as a unit. Otherwise each layer is only glued to the next.

In smaller and less structural areas, 2,3, or even 4 layers in one 'set' makes good sense.

And I haven't seen much talk about amine blush in my e-mail. Yall must have that figured out.
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U.S. Composites said that you should limit the lay up to two layers at a time. However, if you want to do it all at once, let it kick (like Pbrain Said)before each subsequent layer.

I didn't let it kick, so the resin and glass became so thick the air bubbles couldn't get out. I did roll it out on each layer and it look as though there were no air in the layup. The bubbles started to show once it kicked.

So, I can still get it all done at the same time, I just need to let it kick between layers or do 2 layers at a time.

You live, you learn and so it goes

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I agree with Tim with the bonding but you do need to let the previous layer resin "kick" slightly so it's starting to harden up before you lay in a layer over it.


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Yeah, Im curious what that means. Putting on as many layers as possible before the resin cures is a good thing- it gives you a chemical bond in addition to the mechanical bond. If you roll every few layers, you should be able to get most of the air bubbles out.
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Originally posted by Ranger Ranger wrote:

I just spoke with U.S. Composites and according to them. I was doing too much too fast. Simple enough. I just need to slow down.

Jeff


For those of us taking notes, can you give a rough idea of how long you were waiting in-between layers, and how long USC recommended?
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I just spoke with U.S. Composites and according to them. I was doing too much too fast. Simple enough. I just need to slow down.

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Yes, I did. Actually, I thought I rolled the crap out of it. I started with the 2 inch, ran the length of the stringer. Came back and did it again. Then went to the 4 inch, did it the same way. Ended with two layers of the 8 inch. I didn't wait for it to go off between layers. Maybe, I should of waited for it to get a little "sticky"

It's really not that bad since it's only in a couple of spots, but I want it right.

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Are you using a grooved roller after putting down a few layers?
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We are making slow progress on the glass. One of the mains has the 2/4/8 finished, but we didn't get the biax in yet. It was our first try and to tell you the truth, I'm not all that happy with the results. I had a couple of air bubbles develop that I will have to grind out and repair. Maybe I was moving too fast. I'm sure I'll get better at the lay ups as we go.

Our plan for the weekend is to lay up more of the E glass. I think I will slow down a bit and make sure that I get the air out of each layup before moving on to the next size. If anyone has had similar experiences, let me know how you corrected it.

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No, I really don't have anything to add. The stringers are ready for glass, but I just don't have the time to get it done. It's funny how things work out. If you don't have any projects, you have tons of time, but once you have something to work on, you can't find any time to get it done.

What gives?

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any updates?
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It rained and snowed over the weekend, so I didn't get much done. Yes it snowed in sunny San Diego. It's the fourth time in 10 years that we have received a little snow. The kids go nuts.

Anyway, since I couldn't get over the rail, I picked up an 8 foot stick of fir to finish a couple of small parts. But of course, everything I found was soaking wet. So I took the best piece I could fine. I started with a piece that was 1 1/2 inches thick and planed it to about 7/8 inches thick. Since the wood was still dripping wet, I put it in the convection oven at 220 degrees for about 10 to 12 hours. Worked awesome. I then planed it to its finished dimensions.

To dry wood properly, you really need to have it in a kiln for a long period of time, but for smaller parts, this worked allot better than I would of thought.

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id love to work on one of those to lol. Ive always liked the old barrel back style of the chris crafts. But dont get me wrong id love to restore a atom skier!

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Originally posted by 79SNbrady 79SNbrady wrote:

Id love to work on a old chris craft

Nick,
I can't believe you said this!! Don't you understand that Correct Craft made wood hulls?? You certainly must be joking!!


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Id love to work on a old chris craft, But one that i could take my sweet time on!


Jeff,
Hope you and your son are having fun working on your 2001!Im sure your son will grow up and cherish your 2001 just like i cherish my 79!

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Pbrain,

It's funny that you mention it, but I would love to take on a wooden hull and bring it back to factory spec's. I have often thought that when I retire, I'll have the time to do it right. The question will remain, will I ever retire?

I certainly hope so!

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I'll say it again that the job is looking great and you're doing a good job.

Now, the next step is for you to continue with your woodworking skill but on a hull that you don't put fiberglass over it!!


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Thanks guys for the compliments. I really thought I would have more time to get this done, but it's tough to get more than a couple of hours at a time. I guess it will just take me a tad longer than I had originally thought. No surprises there!

Keegan, I have about 8 pounds of cabosil left. If you need some, I'll send you a cup for free?

Something else I've learned is that you never really pay attention to the weather in San Diego until you need it to be at a certain temperature for a certain amount of time.

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looks very good so far! I cant wait to see my boat in the same state as yours!
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Looking good there. I have been following this thread and have same boat there and have found some spots that are not good anymore.
I am no mechanic or repair man. I am gonna turn my repair towards boat dr (billy) to do mine. Keep up the good work..   
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Keep it up you are looking great! How much of that cabosil do you still have left? You can pass it along to the next guy and see how many rebuilds we can get out of that 10lb bag.
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Thanks for the info and pics. Very nice work! I am still at the white powder stage. The asco is do tommorrow and hopefully by next week I can get started.
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Here is what we finished last weekend. All of the filets are finished and the blocking is cut and ready. We're finally ready for glass, but since we are going to be hit with a storm this weekend, it might be a week are two before I get to it. Here are the pict's of what we finished.







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I used 2X8's for the mains.

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