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    Posted: September-10-2010 at 4:45pm
Here we go. I was going to wait until winter, but since the fuel filter fell off due to rot, I thought It might be a sign from above that I better start sooner than later. So, the boat is gutted and the floor will be cut out this weekend.

A little background:
I'm really a fisherman and a hunter, but have been around boats for most of my life. I have rebuilt a few, but all of them were for chasing something offshore. But I have a 9 year old son and although he is my fishing partner and baseball buddy, he has been watching all of the ski and wakeboard boats go by at the river. I finally started pulling him around in my Ranger, but it's time that I get a real ski boat. So I started looking for a project that we could build together. This is it. It will be something that he ends up with, so we will be building allot more than just a boat.

I found this Ski Nautique a little North from where we live and thought that it was perfect for the task at hand. We used it once and it was everything that I thought it should be. So, I started doing my research and although I haven't fully decided on the materials, I should be elbow deep into wet foam within 48 hours.

I appreciate this forum and the people who have made it great. Hopefully this will be a build that everyone will enjoy.

I'll try to keep you posted with pictures as I go.

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I'm almost speechless after that intro...very cool!
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It sure was refreshing to read a post as well written as that! This will be a great thread.
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I am looking forward to following the thread.

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Thanks Guys, I appreciate the welcome and humor!

I'll post some pict's later but I pulled the engine last night. What a pain. The hoist I rented was junk and it barely made it over the gunnels. I took one of the tires off, dropped the trailer to the ground, and then cranked the bow down as low as it would go. Since the tranny didn't clear. I had to lift the rear of the engine while my wife pulled on hoist. it was close, but it's out. I'm not renting another piece of junk. I'll either buy one or build one before the motor goes back in.

I haven't checked into it, but what is the best way to upload photos?

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Photobucket.com works for me. There's a tutorial thread here on the site.
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Ok, I need to give this a shot, so lets see how this come out.





Not really much to see, but I want to make sure that this works out alright.

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Probably too late now, but had you removed the carb and flame arrestor, then tightened the chains, you would have cleared at least another 6-8".
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Yes, I thought of that while I was staring at it in the air. In fact, I was going to drop it back down and do just that, but the bottle jack on the picker wasn't cooperating. I was getting a little nervous with that thing in the air knowing that the pile of junk holding it could go at any moment.

Once I had it over the rail, I finally got the picker to lower enough that I could get the engine on its stand. But it was a crap shoot. I almost went and grabbed my tractor to lift it off of the picker.

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Jeff,
It's great to hear that you will be getting your son to help out. I wish I had done more of the same.

Get him a flat bar and let him go after some of that old wet foam!!


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Its actually pretty amazing how high you need to lift the engine to get it out of one of these boats while on the trailer. Even the tall swing set we used on my Skier wasnt tall enough for our BFN... we had to go taller.



As far as the father/son project goes, that is pretty cool. Dad and I are doing the BFN together as well.
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I love doing these kinds of projects, but having your young boy there too makes it all that much better. I just need to persuade the wife that 8:00 is too early of a bedtime for him. We can this done a lot faster if he goes to bed at 9:00.

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Glad you got it out ok, I did'nt want to scare ya about pulling the cherry picker back and "swinging" the motor over the gunnel.It was kinda exciting on mine too. I felt every little pebble under those steel wheels...
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These make good engine hoist's



And yes it's great when the little one's get involved.





It's going to be a long road to the finish, but you will have a deep understanding of all aspects of your boat inside and out when your done.
You will really enjoy it when your done.
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I have a 790 deere with a front end loader, but it didn't have the reach. I was slightly short. Now that I think about it, I might want to look at a fork lift extension for the bucket. It would add a few feet to the reach and it would be a ton easier to put the engine back in.

Thanks for the idea. Sometimes I need a little nudge!

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When I was 10 or 11 my dad bought an old glassmaster closed bow "ski" boat and we did a light rehab on it. Was one of the coolest projects ever for dad and son and I'll never forget it. My dad turned us both on to inboards a couple of years later and we did some refurbishing but that "project" boat is one I'll always remember. Lots of good QT with the old man. A few years later he did the same with a pontoon, but this one he did mostly with my sister. Good times!

Sorry for the threadjack! Looks like you are off to a good start. Good luck with the rebuild
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I can sure appreciate your experiences with your father, mine with very similar. I think it's why I spend so my time with my boy as well. I started him fishing when he was three and I think I have only fished a couple of times without him since. We are avid fishermen who were on the water at least 30 weekends a year. He has developed to be a better fisherman than most adults. He only uses bait caster gear and can flip, overhand and sidearm cast with amazing accuracy. He truly is an outdoorsman.

On another note, we are in the house taken a much needed break. The deck is cut out and the majority of the foam is in the dumpster. I'll post some pictures later today.

Oh and if you didn’t know, we both hate foam. My boy is tired and my back hurts.

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Awesome stuff! Nothing like a good family project and spending time together. My 9 year old helped out a little bit with my rebuild and has decided he does not want to wetsand for a living! I felt a huge sense of accomplishment once the foam was out. There are so many aspects to a rebuild I cant count how many times I thought I was on the home stretch of the project. Well worth all the time I put into it. Knowing that it is done right by your own hands is priceless. My biggest hang ups were the couple of things I paid to have done. I was gonna say you have all fall and winter to get er done but being in San Diego you don't get much weather that rules out boating. I love it out there! Good Luck and welcome to the community!
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Ok, our first full day is done. I think we moved along pretty well, the hull is virtually foam free. I had a lot of rot on all stringers forward of the cradle. Of course standing water was where it wasn't supposed to be. I'm glad to be past this point. My boy hung in there all day, except when I was cutting the deck. I made him go inside to stay away from the dust.

Afterward, he and I used shovels and claw hammers to get the foam out of the boat and into the dumpster. Once I finished, I flushed the hull clean with a hose.

One thing I noticed is that these hulls do not drain water well. Some water just can't get past the pylon cup without raising the bow extremely high. Has anyone tried to glass the forward hull high enough that water finds its way back? I want this hull to drain, so I need to look into options.

On other hurtle I had, was the exhaust outlet tubes. I think someone used 5200 on them and they aren't budging. I'm going to gel coat the hull, but still don't want to rip the transom apart trying to get these things out. If anyone have any suggestion, I'm all ears.

Here are a couple of photos

My boy, hard at work!














Tomorrow, it looks like we will start to build a few stands. Thanks again the the warm welcome.

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Great first day there guys! My exhaust tips had color matched silicone as a sealant but I did not have much trouble removing them after the screws were out. You will want to replace all the wood around the exhaust ports, lift ring mount and rudder mount while you are in there.

Here is my transom with all new wood except the rudder mount.

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I need to take a good hard look at all of the wood mounts on the transom. At first glance, they all appear to be extremely solid. But I'm not the type to skimp, so I will probably rip those out too.

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Jeff - Pete Brainerd had a way to rig a 'hot wire' to cut thru the 5200. I think it used a battery & weld wire.   Pete will surely comment soon.
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One thing I noticed is that these hulls do not drain water well. Some water just can't get past the pylon cup without raising the bow extremely high. Has anyone tried to glass the forward hull high enough that water finds its way back? I want this hull to drain, so I need to look into options.


I did.
I filled the bottom like a trough, I even took out the piece of ply they had in to screw the bilge pump to and found water under it after being torn apart for a year.
I took the drain plug out and re-glassed the whole bottom then so the drain would be the lowest point.
It works well.






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I like that a lot. Looks really nice. What did you use to fill it with?
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Jeff,
The exhaust through hulls can be stubborn even without 5200. First get a hot air gun on them and warm them up to the point of being uncomfortable to to touch. This temp (about 180 to 200) should not damage the gel/glass and is far from the point of discoloring the chrome on the fittings. Then see if you can tap a sharpened putty knife in and all around the flange to shear the sealant. If this doesn't work, then you can try the hot wire that Chris mentioned.

The basic crude hot wire is a piece of stainless .030" welding wire about 18" long strung between two pieces of wood used for handles. Then connected to a 12V battery with jumper cables. The wire is then used in a sawing fashion to cut the sealant. Since this home made hot wire is basic without a variable voltage power supply and the charge level of the battery will vary, some experimenting with the wire length will be needed. If the wire burns up quickly, add 6" of wire length and try it again.


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Great advice, I'll give it a try.

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I used the epoxy resin mixed with Aerosil-Cabosil and 1/32" Milled Fiber
to very thick paste.
I formed it in with a wide putty knife, then I laid cloth and using non-thickened epoxy kneaded the cloth into the paste and across the whole bottom and up 2" on the main stringers essentially tying everything together.
This was one of the last steps I did before the final sand and paint.
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Ok, I have another question. I have decided that Epoxy will be my best bet, so I am pretty sure that I will head in that direction. I'm familar with the layup process of vinylester, but not with epoxy.

What would any of you suggest as a layup schedule? I need to get my materials on order fairly soon, so I will need to get a good understanding of the process.


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Originally posted by Ranger Ranger wrote:

Ok, I have another question. I have decided that Epoxy will be my best bet, so I am pretty sure that I will head in that direction. I'm familar with the layup process of vinylester, but not with epoxy.

What would any of you suggest as a layup schedule? I need to get my materials on order fairly soon, so I will need to get a good understanding of the process.


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The layup is the same with any resin. Most will go with a 2" then 4" then 6" tape at the stringer to hull. Then a couple layers of cloth over the top and a extra layer at the engine. The biaxial is popular but I'm more inclined to just use regular cloth.


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