Election 2012 Is Comming

eric lavine wrote: you must take into account, tax burden, If an extra 100 bucks comes out of a paycheck, that could be the difference to someone of eating or not eating

Eric, You are correct and right now that someone is me. I have seen a decrease of 800 dollars a month income from four years ago,That is 8 x 100 bucks. I put at least an extra hundred dollars into my gas tank every month due to Obamas energy policy, and pay 20 percent more for electricity now that my states liberals have mandated renewable energy. I pay 100 dollars more a month for groceries than I did four years ago because it costs more to produce and move them around., I pay 100 dollars a month more for healthcare than I did last year thanks to Obama care mandating the coverage of 27 year old "Kids" and the other new mandates. It will cost me several hundred dollars a month more if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire. I supplement my monthly income with proceeds from my cabin sale to make ends meet, but that pool is rapidly getting depleted.
Just how many more of these "extra" hundred bucks am I expected to come up with before the tax and spenders are satisfied? Please let me know so I can plan.   

Last year I paid down my student loans by 19,000 dollars (again from the sale of my cabin) Currently I am enrolled in a work force program training in medical information technology to supplement my degree in hopes of finding a new job in this crap economy. It is 6 months long with tuition of 2 grand. I am enrolled with 180 students. 150 of them applied for and received a government grant for $1500 each, which some legislator figures I have enough money to contribute tax dollars for. I am paying the full 2 grand. Is it wrong of me to have expectations for others to do the same.

my friend refered to you btw, not BR

collapse our system? wtf, um, ah, well.....we are 10 bucks away from depression, you been up in the space station the last 3 years?
the people i know with money, big money, got it from someone else
you to can think on your own, who do you know personally with big money? where did they get it?

Eric....its not about being happy or unhappy. You and I, and the rest of the CCF folks are the "1%" vs. some poor family in Kenya, or Afghanistan. You seem to keep missing the key point....by continually giving every needy family $800/month to live, they never learn to go out, learn a skill, or get an education so they can get out of the government hand-out cycle. But, if you want to keep paying higher and higher taxes to do this, that is your business. I personally don't want to pay more taxes. I want to keep the money I earned. I think deep down you do too, regardless of what you say. Not saying your greedy, just saying you would like to enjoy more of the fruits of your labor. If government handouts are so great, why don't you quit working and get yourself on a government program??

Here is another phrase for you....."Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach the man to fish, and he will feed himself forever".

We have worked hard to treat the poor with dignity, What you end up with is people who believe it is dignified to be poor and see know reason to change, they have 6 kids who grow up with the same belief and are taught the same thing in school. Can you see the cycle Eric. We should teach that being poor is not dignified. for the sake of our country we need people contributing. There should be some shame when you put your hand out to take a check that makes you no want to do it next month. A boat is ok carrying one anchor, but the more anchors it carries the worse it performs, to many and the whole thing goes to the bottom taking everything of worth with it.

Welp, most of the wealth accumulated in this country started during the industrial revolution, not many in this country in todays times woke up with a nickel and turned it into a billion dollars by hard work, if someone handed me 10 million dollars sure as *************** im going to try to make it into 20 million, but the avarage American would blow thru that in a year. yes, there are exceptions to the rule, Gates, the dude who runs ***************book, but for the most part its old money, money makes money on its own, besides the United Emirates, we are a pretty wealthy nation, but again the United Emirates has homeless also, not because they want to be but because they lack in opportunity, they have about 500 princes who get their asses wiped daily by someone else.
they too are riding coattails and the last thing they want to do is give their wealth away, its not in them,
but for the most part, u aint gettin rich 8 to 5 ing it. I just dont understand the thoughts of many on why you cant take care of the poor, you like I just gave the rich 40% ish of our wealth to the rich, the poor sure didnt end up with it, an example was made with Madoff, Stuart, these are the wealthy and they wouldnt bat one eye reaching into your IRA and snagging a few bucks...and lead you to believe times are bad and this is what happens

welcome to society my friend, I would rather feed a poor black child then let Paris REMOVEo get a new pair of 1000.00 shoes, the kid dont eat the crime rate goes up,
do you really think a billionaire works? as hard as you David?

keep in mind once again, the average income for 50% of Americans is 26k

Regarding OWS, I heard some interesting analysis today. As we all know, the so-called "Super Committee" from Congress was a complete failure. Six Dems, and six Republicans could not agree on how to cut spending, or increase "revenue". The analysis was that OWS had a role in the fact the Dems could not, and would not agree to any Republican ideas, regardless of the fact that the Republicans were willing to increase taxes (revenue). It was all about HOW they wanted to increase taxes. The Dems INSIST on raising tax rates. The Republicans want to broaden the tax base to bring in more revenue. Didn't matter. The Dems insist on raising the tax rates on the "1%" (or the very rich in general).

Bottom line....both parties are so far apart on how to govern the country, that only the 2012 election will determine which way to take the country when one party or the other wins, and can govern from a position of strength.   

The Republicans stance.....In favor or cutting domestic spending. Broaden the tax base out so more folks are paying taxes, and lower tax rates to spur the economy which will bring in more revenues. Some loopholes also may need to be closed, but, the lower rates will offset the closed loopholes.

The Democrats stance......Continued high levels of deficit spending. Let the Bush tax cuts expire, and increase tax rates on the very rich (which ultimately means increase tax rates on everybody).

I would be all in favor of a simplified tax code to make things simpler. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to figure out your taxes on the back of a bar room napkin? But, lower tax rates are a must to do that. One thing is for sure, we have got to our deficit spending and huge national debt under control. We are going the way of Greece very quickly.

Paaaaaaalease OMH, those righties also knew exactly what was going down also, Hence your first black presidente, they didnt try as hard then to get in power as they are struggling to now, can you utter the word fallguy? is that in your vocabulary?

OverMyHead wrote: john b wrote: I believe the only way to pick one up for Christmas is to travel back to 2009. If you know where to get one please tell me. Chia Obama Here is the cheapest I found.

Thanks, its on its way.

john b wrote: I believe the only way to pick one up for Christmas is to travel back to 2009. If you know where to get one please tell me.

Chia Obama

Here is the cheapest I found.

I know Eric. I was just kidding you. It just struck me as funny. However, as far as protecting them, I assume you mean protecting Israel?? The current administration doesn't seem "overly fond" of protecting Israel. They seem to throw them under the bus every chance they get. Just like when the Big O made a comment a week or so back into an open microphone when he was talking to Sarkozi(sp)-President/ Prime Minister of France. I don't care for the way the administration is treating Israel.

and now my house is worth what i paid for it 15 years ago, thats if i could even sell it. in some strange way i feel like Ive been renting for the last 15 years

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