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peter1234
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would you guys compare the wildcat hull to the 2001 hull? or bfn
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Riley
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More like the Barracuda hull, only wider. It rides nice and high with the bow out of the water.
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reidp
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Some people count sheep............ |
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63 Skier
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I wonder if instead of the little tabs I've seen on these a set of good sized hydraulic tabs would keep it from porpoising, though I'd bet they scrub a bit of speed off. |
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TRBenj
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Needing tabs doesnt necessarily translate into a fast hull... it just means the hull has a tendency to bounce. A little bounce is good, but too much, too early (lower speeds) is probably counterproductive... lots of Classics have tabs, and I dont think any are setting new speed records.
The Wildcat hull is definitely a different animal than a BFN, as that's a deep vee. Its closer to a 2001, but thats still a good bit different. Its a good sized boat, but a lot of the size is in its depth, and width above the waterline- the hull has a lot of "flare". The running surface is probably a good bit smaller than a 2001, so there is good reason to believe it will be good for 50mph with a stock big block... maybe a little more if it runs bow high. Joe, as we approach 60mph, Im starting to be convinced that we're seeing the limitations of our steep propshaft angles. When I rebuild my 1gen, I want to go shallower- maybe 8-10deg... I believe Bill Burgess made a recommendation along those lines on here at some point. There were plenty of v-drive boats made with hardware in that range, so sourcing the parts shouldnt be too tough... Edit: found it.
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Munday
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True that on drive angle Tim. This is one cool old boat. I had the same windshield in my 70 Century Buccanner, Really nice on a hot day if you have a top for shade. open to full horizonal, 10 mph and a mist bottle of water equals air conditioning! If you can keep the boat under control with a modern prop you might get close to 60mph but I'd want a center fin does this have one? When I was young early 60's I saw a boat swap ends, the prop got to the surface from porpoising. Then walked around the boat on the surface. Driver suffered broken ribs from ice chest in front seat for balance. No more speed runs in boat till center fin installed and tabs.
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If the only tool you have is a hammer,everything starts to look like a nail.
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nautique frk
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Would the Wildcat hull be similar to the 71/72 Marauder ??
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JoeinNY
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As to the 2001 hull vs the wildcat. I do fundamentally agree with tim’s assessment the wildcat is bigger but not necessarily at the water line. The hull itself looks to have some hook at the chine (or maybe this one does after sitting on a trailer for years?) . I suspect it has a standard strut angle for a CC but it does have a strut with a skeg.. not the strut you would find on a smaller boat so it is possible. It also has a pretty sizeable rudder . Changing in the drive angle on one of these boats significantly might be improbable but simple vector analysis would yield that you would be much better off.. more force going into forward motion and less going into digging down the nose and lifting the back end. Which as noted above is not a good failure mode.
I still believe that a lighter boat like a first gen SN might benefit from a steel inboard racing prop with significant rake. The rake may in fact lift the nose enough for it to be a game changer (5+mph improvement). It may also work on a smaller boat, but the boat and driver are more likely to survive the experiment in a longer boat. Of course I have no interest in pursuing any of this stuff myself, not till one of you punks comes up with something faster than my towered tug boat anyway. |
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reidp
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Who is calling punks? You mean 1 or 2 mph slower,.........and I'm a punk. Meet me on the SJRR, and I'll show you a punk,...punk. |
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TRBenj
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How about <1mph slower, am I still a punk? You just wait til we get the BBC back on the water with a roller cam and some real exhaust manifolds... you'll be thumbing through the Glenwood catalog in no time! (Decision is still pending on the roller cam- but the exhaust is sitting here ready to bolt on.) Im hoping to hold the crown for at least 5 minutes- at least until you find a home for that 383, or Reid gets the 427 1gsn done, or Jeff Connors finished his Separator (if I/O's even count)... Mike, I bet the Wildcat hull is pretty similar to the Marauder that followed it. Just a wild guess though- Ive never seen the latter in person! Ive crawled all over Reid's Tournament Skier (same hull as the Wildcat) and for 19', the boat is BIG. |
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Hollywood
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Finally a fire under you boys, Joe hasn't seen a transom in some time.
I/Os are their own division IMO |
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peter1234
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be careful Reid he is buying out all the competition
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nautique frk
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The Marauder I just picked up (orange one) is a huge boat for 19/20 ft
plus it has the Chrysler 440 in it |
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peter1234
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i'd love to see some pics of that marauder
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eric lavine
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I have a feeling you guys are going to find out what an outdrive looks like
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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eric lavine
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boats with the same configuration with 4.3's will see 54
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peter1234
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of course with adj trim outdrives
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DrCC
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Wildcat vs 2001, Not even remotely similar.
Riley was on the right track. They ride and drive about like a really, really big Barracuda. Similar to a 19 Century Resorter. |
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Bri892001
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Connorrsons has put a lot of work into firming up his transom, so hopefully you guys will at least be able to appreciate it. |
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reidp
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As a founding member of the CCF "Competitive Racing and Performance" organization (CRAP, for short), I was asked to announce that a mandatory drag race must now be factored into all future speed contests and officially timed events. While certainly not the intention, this will most likely exclude any I/O powered, and many V-Drive powered boats from any official speed records. Regretfully, -The Committee |
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8122pbrainard
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Gary, All Reid needs is some transplanting work! |
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ultrarunner
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Just so we're clear...regardless of what outfit is calling it.... That color is CAROLINA BLUE....GOT IT?! GO 'Heels! |
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8122pbrainard
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The talk about these blue CC's sure has brought back some memories of my earlier years. Back when I was at Watercraft Sales (late 60's - early 70"s), We had a good customer who had a Cuda in the light blue. It had a white interior and I fell in love with that boat. However, the owner had two daughters that my eyes were more focused on!!! I'd be in the shop but when they came in, I would always make a point of going out to the gas pier and telling the gas "Jockey's" that I would take care of this customer. The sad part of the story is I never was able to get anywhere with ether of the girls! - Not even a date!
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davidg
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Hey guys....on the subject of blue boats, there was also a Dresden Blue. Not sure which years it ran in production, but, I had an '83 Southwind BR in that color. It was a very light blue.
Also, I have seen a couple of Wildcats, and they are very cool boats. Also from that era, there was a Riviera. It seems to have a very similar hull design as the Wildcat but is a 20' boat. |
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nautique frk
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Maw Maw Reid ?? That is not a good look !! :)
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66Wildcat
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Nice boat! The horns on the port side are the same as the horns on my 66 Wildcat. All of the other hardware looks the same as on mine except for the anchor light fixture. Now I'm thinking mine might not be original. As for performance, I only get 43 mph, but my engine is a bit smaller (401 Buick nailhead) and I don't think the prop is the right one either. Good luck with the restoration.
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