You didn build that !

JoeinNY wrote: Free healthcare has proven to be less expensive per person, per capita, per household, per country, per procedure, per outcome, per however you want to measure it in every country it has been adopted than the private health care we have had here in the US... sadly we won’t be getting “free healthcare”

Joe, Obviously free healthcare would be less expensive per person. Tell me more about this free healthcare, because it sounds like the answer to all our problems. Why are we even debating about single payer systems if there is some magical no payer system? Why did we have to add all the new medical device taxes, and cadillac health plan taxes if there is healthcare out there for FREE? How do I sign up for this? Heck medicare is going broke, lets put all those people on free healthcare and that budget hole is plugged, we can use the savings to bail out social security! Wait, Is there free social security that you know about? Man what I could do with no more FICA taxes. Yahoo!!!!!!

Obamacare Will Increase Health Spending By $7,450 For A Typical Family of Four [Updated">

Gee I Didn't see that coming.....Oh wait I did! Thanks a lot democrats.


Remember when Obama said he was going to cut our deficit in half...Ahhhh good times.

I must admit I may have been wrong about Obama in light of this story. It was not widely reported on but Fox News was able to break the story.
Obama revelation

Yeah anyone who thinks that 70% of this country feels the same way about anything is pretty darn gullible. Anyone who thinks that that 70% of the country is in favor of repealing something that they just overwhelmingly voted to affirm in the very last election that we had is more than gullible. Last I checked democrats got more votes in the House of Representatives last election than republicans did… I don’t know how that equates to the far right of the republican party representing 70% of the country.. maybe 70% of the billionaires who make their money off of fossil fuels, but certainly not 70% of the country. That doesn’t mean the majority is right necessarily but when you claim to have a majority and you don’t then my guess is you have no real case or logic… so lies are all that are left.

Free healthcare has proven to be less expensive per person, per capita, per household, per country, per procedure, per outcome, per however you want to measure it in every country it has been adopted than the private health care we have had here in the US... sadly we won’t be getting “free healthcare” we are getting health care with some consumer protections and some income based subsidies, and make no mistake we are getting it. Canada spends per person $4205 per year on average for all health care spending, in the good old US it is $7910, that includes all your supplemental yadda yadda yadda..

It is apparent to any thinking person why the nut jobs were willing to do anything to prevent it for even another year.., they all promised it would be the end of the world. It won’t in fact be the end of the world and therefore to anyone who doesn’t have their head completely up the kiester of the right wing noise machine the nut jobs will have in fact proven themselves to be money/power hungry nutjobs who are either clueless or willing to say anything to be elected.   That is why propaganda and lies are not a great long term strategy when it comes to running a democracy… but it sure does get a lot of guys rich for a while.

I heard a good quote the other day. I don't know who said it, but, it went something like...."If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free".

Why is NOAA shut down, http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/

But this site still up?
http://www.letsmove.gov/

davidg wrote: Interesting that "The Marketplace" has had to shutdown for some fixes already. Not too many people got through in week 1. They have had three years to prepare for this. This thing appears to be a disaster already. Based on reports on the news, premiums, on average, are WAY up, and deductibles are sky high ($5K-$6K). Not exactly affordable, and not exactly good policies for most.   Interesting the govt isn't releasing any data on how many people actually bought AFFORDABLE health insurance. Maybe week 2 will go more smoothly!?!? I am sure it will. They are fixing the computers this weekend. It makes me wonder that if premiums and deductibles are too high, if young healthy people will just self insure, and pay the fine.

Pretty sad.

As of 2012 aprox. 30 percent of all Canadian health spending was private pay. As John said mostly dentistry, eye care, and prescriptions.

is it true that 70% of canadians have supplemental health care? i have been told it is true but cant seem to confirm it

Dave....Just give this thing a chance. It's a lot like Apple's new operating system. They had a glitch, and they fixed it right away. I am sure the IRS will get this thing fixed immediately. I bet next week this is going to be exactly like logging onto Amazon.com and buying a color tv. You just watch and see!

Interesting that "The Marketplace" has had to shutdown for some fixes already. Not too many people got through in week 1. They have had three years to prepare for this. This thing appears to be a disaster already.

Based on reports on the news, premiums, on average, are WAY up, and deductibles are sky high ($5K-$6K). Not exactly affordable, and not exactly good policies for most.   Interesting the govt isn't releasing any data on how many people actually bought AFFORDABLE health insurance. Maybe week 2 will go more smoothly!?!? I am sure it will. They are fixing the computers this weekend.

It makes me wonder that if premiums and deductibles are too high, if young healthy people will just self insure, and pay the fine.

skicat2001 wrote: I think I broke my horn...

Thank goodness!

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My daughter, a start up business owner, has visited the exchange and has found that the platinum plan costs less than she is now paying for basic hospitalization. She had to send in one more payment to the bloodsuckers to cover her until Obamacare kicks in. She didn't buy yet, just priced the policy. Maybe she will save enough to hire her third employee!

I don't know about the parks out west, but Arcadia National Park in Maine was mostly donated land by wealthy people like the Rockefellers.

There's a lady in Maine that has acquired 10's of 1,000s of acres with the intention of donating it to a national park, if one can be formed. Very controversial idea, but when you look at those beautiful parks out west, I don't see how it wasn't smart that the Feds acquired that land before it was developed.