You didn build that !

I wasn't really thinking conspiracy... just find it ironic how quickly this was done. I know its not federal, but I have still not received the registration back for my 73 SN. I sent it in May....today I checked the IL DNR site, they are 22 WEEKS behind. Twenty Two weeks!????

If we are so much as a day late with any of our paperwork, you can expect a penalty.   Can you say "double standards"?

Yikes Steve, that is unbelieveable! They used to be very fast. My experence at the SOS offices here has been very good recently. I wonder whats up with the DNR? Did they cash your check? I have transferred all of my boat regs to WI. and have had very fast and courteous service from them. Same thing with the WI DMV. I don't get it.

Gary S wrote: I'll bet they cashed your check ---

Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!! They did cash the check, but just for the sales tax portion. ( not for the registration).

To take it a step farther, This is the 2nd time I sent the paperwork in. IL allows a "whopping" 2 weeks to send the registration in after buying a boat.

I had originally sent the paperwork in a year ago, June 2012. I got that back the 1st week of October (a year ago) with a letter that stated the PO's wife also needed to sign the title. The PO has a living trust(where one spouse can sign on behalf of the other) So, he sent me a copy of the trust. I highlighted that portion of the trust and sent it back with the re-applied registration. Now, I get to see if they accept that, or still insist on the wife signing the title.

BTW, (after the d*ckz cashed the tax check), I had to get a copy of the back side of that check from the bank and send the copy back in with the re-applied registration to prove I had already paid the tax.

What a joke......

John,
I don't have the trust in front of me, (it was last May since I looked at it)but the wording states something to the effect that one spouse can act on behalf of the other spouse in any type of legal transaction.


That aside, 22 weeks!??? they probably haven't even looked at it yet.

That power of attorney form i linked is just an example granting the DNR power of attorney for property. You need a similar form granting the one seller power of attorney for property of the other who did not sign.
I hope that helps. I think you are going to get it back again.

62 wood wrote: I wasn't really thinking conspiracy... just find it ironic how quickly this was done. I know its not federal, but I have still not received the registration back for my 73 SN. I sent it in May....today I checked the IL DNR site, they are 22 WEEKS behind. Twenty Two weeks!???? If we are so much as a day late with any of our paperwork, you can expect a penalty.   Can you say "double standards"?

Sent mine for the woody in June Steve , nothing yet but they did cash my check about a month ago!

President Obama has promised people who liked their current doctor and health-care plan would be able to keep it as the Affordable Care continues to get implemented, but that’s proving not to be the case for many Americans.

The wisdom of Naked Eyes!

Never had a doubt
In the beginning
Never a doubt
Trusted too true
In the beginning
I loved you right through
Arm in arm we laughed like kids
At all the silly things we did

You made me promises promises
Knowing I'd believe
Promises promises
You knew you'd never keep

I heard Obama might be named to the US ski team. They say no one has ever taken a country downhill faster!

john b wrote: OverMyHead wrote: I heard Obama might be named to the US ski team. They say no one has ever taken a country downhill faster! US marks 4 straight years of slowing health care costs

Check out the workforce partocipation rates under "O". Funny how people spend less on everything when they don't have jobs. The article also.projects a 6 percent inflation rate in 2014 which erases the 4 years of "slowing".

Now lets talk deficit spending.

davidg wrote: Isn't it funny how Obama is now pushing the "fair shot" and "income inequality" crappola. I wonder if anybody has whispered to him that his policies have been in place for the past five years, and he has caused this. So, he creates the problem, and now he will solve it?!? REALLY!!! If the economy under Obama is so good, why are they trying to pass "emergency" legislation to continue unemployment benefits. Probably Bush's fault!

davidg wrote: Isn't it funny how Obama is now pushing the "fair shot" and "income inequality" crappola. I wonder if anybody has whispered to him that his policies have been in place for the past five years, and he has caused this. So, he creates the problem, and now he will solve it?!? REALLY!!! If the economy under Obama is so good, why are they trying to pass "emergency" legislation to continue unemployment benefits. Probably Bush's fault!

Pretty much. The legacy of two wars, a financial meltdown, and financial mismanagement have a long horizon.
The stock market has doubled, unemployment is down, one war has been ended, we made money on the government loans that rescued what little manufacturing we have left, the increases in medical care costs have slowed and insurance companies can no longer exclude people with pre-existing conditions, consumption of oil is down, the alternative energy market is booming, space exploration has been privatized and it appears to have a bright future, and our political system has prevailed, the people have spoken with their votes, you just happen to have lost. I am happy as a pig in poop!

Hey, I had a great time at GL too. This thread can be a hoot! We have so many things in common to enjoy. our differences can be interesting to share as well. We all have opinions on issues and I would feel deprived if others views weren't shared. I hope no one mistakes my disagreement on issues as anger.
With that said, what gains in Iraq? We have created a power vacuum in the Middle East that has empowered the unruley folks to carry out their plans. We once had a very wise president who recognized that he needed to expel Iraq from Kuwait but also recognized that if be killed the leader and destroyed the government and infrastructure it would create a power vacuum that we would be obligated to address for decades. In this instance the acorn fell far from the tree and we will be paying the price for years to come.

davidg wrote: John....I shall always cherish my memories of having smores and beer at the camp fire with you, Dave and Hansel at GL this past summer...

For sure! Looking forward to a repeat of this someday in the hopefully not too distant future.

Happy New Year to you guys, and Dave give my best to Tom.

I'm a little out of shape for these debates at the moment, but just to even the score I'll throw my weight behind John

Keep thinking that David.
Go back to last October in this thread and see what alternative energy stocks I chose. Here is how a few of those ETFs that are going broke have performed over the last year:
SCTY- up 299%
SPWR- up 328%
FSLR- up 67%
Powr- up 127%
And my favorite, Tesla, TSLA, up 334%

How's that BP and XOM performing for you? Must be really good since they are "booming" in the Dakotas.
XOM- up 17%
BP PLC- up 16%
If this is what going broke looks like I hope they keep on going broke!!!

It is indisputable that there are not enough energy reserves on the planet to sustain the status quo. Any fledgling industry has vulnerabilities. Rationalizing that the rate of growth in one year should be compared to the 100 year horizon in oil makes no sense unless you have access to a time machine. To assume that historical rates of return are in any way connected to future growth is fallacy.
Historically most of the big advances are offshoots of government investment. The telegraph, railroads, highways, aircraft industry, space travel, computer technology, the Internet, electric grid, infrastructure, national defense, airports, and so many other things we enjoy today.
This planet is quickly running out of oil and the price will reflect that the supply is unable to keep pace with demand. We have bad a taste of this with the price of oil already. Compared in 2009 dollars (the last year I can easily do this without a lot of math) the price of oil in 1930 was about $10/ barrel. It remained at this benchmark with fluctuations until 1970 when it was still priced at $10/ barrel, a 40 year history. In the next 40 years the price increased from $10 to $107 today. With the financial strength and development of China, India, and other countries expect this to continue exponentially.
I was offered a position with a company that directs municipal retirement funds, but after a short time decided I wanted nothing to do with the business. Financial advisors, brokers, and those in the money biz are doing nothing more than taking your money to make wild-ass guesses based on the past, which in most cases is no longer relevant, or using an algorithm to predict the flow of money from one ETF or commodity to another. They always get their percentage regardless of the road they lead you down.
I would never put all of my money in one industry but I feel energy is a good place to have some, along with 3D printing.
Remember, never follow my lead, I am just as crazy as the next guy, maybe much crazier!!!

I agree David, index funds rule. I like the Vangard funds because of their incredibly low management fees among other things.
There will be oil in 30 years but how about 50, and at what price? Canada's economy is still very strong, partially because they manage their government better than ours. With all of the oil reserves there the multi national companies involved in the industry have a heavy presence. If it was cost and environmentally effective to refine their bitumen don't you think Canada would do so and cut us out of the deal? Why ship your reserves to the US for a little value added fee? Because Canada is wise enough not to give the oil companies a free ride on the Canadian government dollar. That oil is not destined for our market, we already have more refining capacity than we need. The oil refiners just want to take advantage of their excess capacity by having the government secure the right of ways for the pipeline and allowing all of the pollution and risk involved in transporting the bitumen across active geogical areas known for small tremors and volcanic activity. The EU does not allow the importation of the bitumen because it is so environmentally damaging, and that is assuming you dont have a spill. The oil is destined for China. Don't we learn from the past? Exxon Valdez, BP gulf spill, spill into the Yellowstone River a year or two ago? How many jobs are sustained by the alaska pipeline? In the 70s that was going to be the answer to our oil addiction. The result? About 8,000 jobs today. Here is a good article on the XL by Forbes:
Pipe Dreams, the XL pipeline