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lakedog55
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QUICK FUEL CARB DO NOT TRUST THEIR PRE INSTALLED GROUND WIRE. i was getting spark at the throttle linkage, got lucky and found it. Scary scary scary. Hooked up original ground and no spark. Mike |
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8122pbrainard
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On classic older engines, the typical routine is to run the break in oil for a hour, drain, refill with a fresh batch of break in oil and then go for the 10 hour run. It's worked for me and many others!
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oldcuda
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You will even get that with a brand new block and all new parts.It's impossible to get 100% of the crud out before assembling a motor but never hurts to try.My brother used to build a lot of motors and can remember him putting time on test stand then removing oil pan and inspect and clean before installing
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Riley
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We changed the oil after 15 hours on a rebuilt engine last summer. I took the filter apart and there was some fine grit in the filter. I couldn't tell if it was metal of dirt. Sounds like that is typical of a new engine?
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oldcuda
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No such thing as too early. Even if you were breaking in a cam which I believe you weren't I like to get it out after it's tuned and been through a couple heat cycles.May just be anal about it but if there is anything that can be told by looking at oil or debris in filter I want to know asap.
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lakedog55
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My concern was getting it out to early. Going to put a few hours on it this weekend.
At the river. |
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MrMcD
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No matter what oil you choose to run after the break in, you should get the break in oil out of the engine after 10-15 hours use. The reason is to remove all the micro metal particles released into the engine after the first start up. You don't want these working in the oil and wearing out your brand new parts. Kind of like fine sand paper in the engine. If you cut the oil filter apart on a new engine you will be surprised at the metal partciles trapped in the filter after break in.
No matter how well your engine was cleaned after machine work you will still have micro metal in the break in oil that needs to come out. |
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lakedog55
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Still to tight. Only had time for a couple of hrs on it.
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Fantastic Mike!
You better start checking the toilet for diamonds as I'm sure the pucker factor to git'er done before this weekend was off the chart! You da Man! |
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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Minimum time on the break in oil is really only applicable if you are going to switch to a synthetic. if you are going to move to a synthetic then you really should go at least 10 hours before changing.
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MrMcD
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In Cars, a 500 mile initial oil change is recommended. Converted to a boat I think that would be 10-15 hours for first oil change.
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Does it need a minimal time with break in oil? Wondering if I should change before or after river run? Has 2hrs on it now.
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Thanks,
I was debating the break in oil. I am going to try and run it Sunday, and get it changed before river run. I do need to check total timing. Thanks agian Mike |
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Glad it is running so great already, you really did a great job to get it running this fast. Very Nice work and it looks great.
The temp may just be the newness of this engine. A new tight engine will make much more heat than a well seasoned engine. As long as it does not go higher than your current 160 I would be patient for the first 10-20 hours of use. RPM does not scare me at all once an engine has run 30 minutes or more but heat does. I would keep any hard runs short initially to help it break in without creating any excess heat. I am not afraid to let it go full throttle all the way to red line but I keep it very brief and I don't do that until I verify what my total timing is so no parts get hurt. Total timing is the timing setting once the engine is at or above 3,500. By that point your timing advance should be all in. Set back Timing lights make checking this very easy. If your initial is at 10 and you know the Ford likes a max of 35 degrees you rev it to 3,500 and hold it there while you check the timing. With a set back timing light you can rotate the dial to 35 degrees and adjust your timing mark to zero. This way you know it will not have too much timing at RPM. Total timing is much more important for survival than initial timing. If you vary the RPM a lot while in the break in process it helps the rings and bearing seat properly. I would change the oil after the first 10-20 hours max, it is good to get the break in oil out and start again with clean fresh oil. Sorry if you already know all this stuff, I just hate to see a new engine hurt when it is avoidable. I hope you get many years of fun out of this build. |
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lakedog55
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One small correction NOT sure i have same measurments.
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TX Foilhead
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I've got at least an inch left with the stock arrestor and the the stock 1in spacer, plenty of room in the Excel for just about anything with a SBF.
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Part Number 59-3264 marine. Then order the nipple u need. I did my stringers and floor sure I have same exact measurement as a stock boat. I got about 1/2 Inch of clearance.
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TX Foilhead
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Good job, everyone should have a hard date that it needs to be done by so they can get it done like you did.
What's the part number on that K&N? |
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I have been planning 2 years still have a lot of boxes full of parts but at least now I got all the pieces time to get to work.When I get home next week going to finish the 454 so I can at least run big block till the monster is done.
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lake Kerr Super clean lake in Ocala National Forest |
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lakedog55
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Is that good? Shoot I thought I was being a pain. But I did make a couple of other post. And have been planning on the rebuild for two years.
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oldcuda
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WOW blown up to water tested in only 3 pages nice job.
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lakedog55
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Dui was calling for 12 we ended up at 11 at 600 rpm
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lakedog55
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Freaking awesome. Had one minor leak at thermostat housing. New intake took shorter bolts.
Ran like a top. Quick fuel carb straight out of box. Idle adjustment good to go. Lake Kerr for about 1.5hrs ran it to 4G was clocking about 42 with acme 540. 35k and Iit was around 35ish. see you boys at the river. Plugs looked good not really enough time to tell. no real hole shots . Firm roll out and it was gone. Plenty of throttle left. At 4 should be all the stretch it will get. May have a small air leak it was wanting to run 160. But they were long runs probably 25 minutes or so. |
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And how did that work out the first time????? |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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Gary S
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But his is a Ford,he just needs to drop it in and go
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baitkiller
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How does it run? I like to fire it up, tune it and de-leak it and make sure everything is 100% before putting engines back in the boat. That way its plug and play. Just thinking you may have the same OP.
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Jesus was a bare-footer.............
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where's the drool emoticon
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8122pbrainard
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But the bolts are still steel. I would use some "Noalox" against the aluminum and some dielectric under the steel bolt head. |
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Fixed link.
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