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Thaddeus116
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She looks like she's listing quite a bit... Where's the water in relation to the rub rail when you're underway???
get some video up! |
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86 Ski Nautique 2001
ACME 542 PCM 351 |
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motorheadskier
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got one built for both sides now... we are using a 48" hyperlite
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xarmypilot
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If you look at the 2001's hull at the transom, you see our these boats have a built-in wedge (circled in red below) design. At slower speeds, usually 18-24mph, this creates a real nice wake. At slalom speeds, the wake flattens out to produce the nice table we all love. This is why the 2001's are a pretty good multi-purpose boat.
So unless you are out surfing with linebackers, you can usually add some ballast (400lbs seems about perfect) to help deepen the pocket but still stay well within the safe load weight. Jeff's a 100% spot on - a longer board will definitely help. With a longer board you're placing a larger surface in the pocket - basically distributing more surface tension over a larger area. I bet someone (handier then me ) could easily fab up a pulley operated hydraulic surfgate using a small pump running off the engine. Getting the overall shape right would probably require a little trial and error, but that's half the fun. |
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'68 Chris~Craft Grand Prix (Past family boat) '72 Checkmate Mx16 (Past family boat) "Speed is life, altitude is life insurance" |
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TheRinger
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From what we've discovered a bigger board makes a huge difference when it comes to surfing smaller wakes like ours, last year we bought a ronix cortez 4'8" and neither my wife or I could go without the rope, we picked up a bigger board - 5'6" and we could both ride without any trouble. I'm a pretty big tall dude at about 225 lbs we can ride ropeless with under 1700 lbs - ballast and people included
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Thaddeus116
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If you guys find a way to surf it with less than 2,000lbs PLEASE share your set up!
My gate shapes the wake great even with no weight... but without the weight the wake is just mush and not surfable (for adults anyways... I bet kids could jam on it ) |
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63 Skier
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Chris, I was thinking the same thing. As I've read this thread I was never thinking of making one myself, but with the success of some of these rigs I might try it out, would be nice to not have to add the 2,000 lbs.! |
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SNobsessed
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I have been riding on a surf board with very little ballast (400lbs), No way I can let go of the rope so it ain't surfing.
Not sure what to call it, but my body doesn't hurt afterwards. I'll try making a gate to see if it helps. |
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74Wind
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Betcha #1's daily driver is a low rider. ....
And they all seem so casual about it. |
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DrCC
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Luv the 1st and 3rd pic Larry!
I would think that the Ultimate Surf Boat would be a 36ft or + cabin cruiser. You could prepare a lovely dinner, surf and have a potty all from the same vessel. |
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cspruill
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Have you guys seen Thaddeus' new video on youtube? This looks like the best design I've seen yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjWO1-zBjo |
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75 Tique
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Here is the requisite old fart post. I tend to be a bit of a safety Nazi out on the water. I've seen too many accidents, close calls injuries and even a death not to be. Sadly, I don't think most safety patrols know what to look for. We have a new one on our lake. All he is concerned with is registration stickers and generating literally NO WAKE in the no wake zone. He stopped my son and about 20 other people his first or second day on the job for creating a wake. My son was literally idling. Meanwhile they ignore overloaded boats, clearly insufficient numbers of life jackets, idiot tube drivers corkscrewing around the lake watching the tuber and not where they are going, people riding on back decks..... Some rules are just rules and can be a pain, others are not only rules but actually a good idea. The other day I was on pulling a friend. There was another guy out pulling a wake boarder with no observer. The rider fell, but the driver never noticed. I kept pointing back to where the rider should have been but the driver would just wave and smile and kept driving along. He finally caught on. Obviously a boat that weighted down is at risk of swamping. Seems like a pretty big risk just to surf ("If surfing were any harder, they'd call it tubing") ] all that being said.....enjoy, if you aren't hurting anyone and you are having fun, go for it, and 2 - I do applaud the creativity and ingenuity you guys are showing. |
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Treybizttu
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Cool thread.... Surfing isn't exactly my thing but my knees and femoral nail want me to consider it. I've been watching a lot of these old school boat with surf gate threads. Keep up the good work.
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skutsch
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Was just going back through this thread, I believe this might have been my last post before my accident (a little freaky...). I am no longer a barefooter or a slalom skier, hoping that in a year or two, I can at least surf. So if you figure this out, I will probably replicate your design. It is simple, removable and looks good. Can't wait to see the video of it in action. Keep at it! |
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Thaddeus116
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Got the adjustable aluminum surf gate made and assembled. Gonna try to get it tested this weekend. She's just tossed together right now... gotta get stuff tightened up but had to make a video.
This is what she looks like |
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motorheadskier
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Police patrol the small lake we go to all the time... have even said hello a few times... They have seen me out there at least 3 times up close and haven't said anything... Let ya know if that changes.
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63 Skier
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Pretty much anyone that is boarding or surfing a boat not originally made for ballast is exceeding the USCG rating. My 21' Sport has I think a 1,250 lb. rating, and when we wakeboard we put a pair of 400# bags on either side of the doghouse. That 800, plus a driver and spotter and misc. gear puts us right at or over the limit. Add any additional weight as many boarders, and all surfers, do, or another person or two, and you're going to be well over. Just a fact of life if you make your boat work for the sport rather than go buy a purpose built boat.
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xarmypilot
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Not a hater, actually, I love the idea behind the concept - but with only a 1110lb load rating from the USCG, that's a DNR ticket or worse just wait'in to happen. |
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'87 SN 2001
'68 Chris~Craft Grand Prix (Past family boat) '72 Checkmate Mx16 (Past family boat) "Speed is life, altitude is life insurance" |
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motorheadskier
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Last season was my first time owning a boat... And I just got this one in April... Just learning... I will get different rope next trip. I don't have a ski locker and not much weight up front thinking I need more.
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SNobsessed
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Please get rid of the ski rope.
It will take a finger off when it wraps around your hand in a fall. . Get a 1 inch diameter nylon rope & put knots in it for hand holds. |
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63 Skier
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Holy &$#@, well over 2,000 lbs. but what really surprises me is how much you have in the stern half of the boat, nearly all your weight there. I don't know much about weighting boats for surfing, but seems like when I've seen that much weight in a boat there's a few hundred in the ski locker and maybe 300 in the bow. I'm really surprised you don't sink a gunwale.
Just wanted to add, I'm not criticizing, just commenting! |
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motorheadskier
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I have a 35 gallon trash can on each side in the back corners about 3/4 full... i can fill more if I have more people up front but with just 2 other people it won't plane out... I have a 540 bag in between and I have an 800 on either side of the motor... they are not full since they are squeezed in there.. you can see them in the video also... I also have 2 batteries and they are mounted far forward in the bow... I do think a bit more bow weight would help since as soon as someone moves to the back the wake washes out and my pocket shrinks... but you can see in the video I can get way out there and come back... I will get some better video soon and keep ya posted as to how the next set up works... it is still a work in progress but wanted to show my results so others could use them and progress .
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TheRinger
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Motorhead, what have you been running for ballast?
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motorheadskier
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I have been searching and researching so many different set ups... I build this one because I am able to take it apart and tweak it to different angles and sizes in about 10 min. Like I said I have taken out a bunch so far... and this one has been best. Here is a link to a video a friend shot yesterday. Last year was my first year with a boat and I just bought this one a couple weeks ago so i am still learning a lot. Exited to have found a place with other 2001 owners!
https://youtu.be/MiDE9DEy01A I will keep posting as I experiment with different angles... Once I have it perfect I will be making a much nicer set up but this is what works for now... I have 3 built right now so I can go out and try 3 different angles and sizes each time I go out. |
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motorheadskier
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I have built 5 or 6 now... every time I change the size or angle or whatever... Had a killer wake today! my plywood is 13 inches by 29 inches. i put about 5 degrees turned out and the upright is sitting at about 75 degrees
The big turning point of my wake was going from straight up and down (90 degree angle) to turning it out to 75 ish... gonna try a longer piece of plywood later this week... and want to try turning out the angle even more... but right now this is a real fun wave! |
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DrCC
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TheRinger
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Hi, brand new poster but have been following tons of topics on here since I picked up my '89 nautique 2001 a few years back, especially this one. I made up a pretty simple gate with things I had around the shop and it works like a charm, in fact I'm almost amazed with how effective it is even without trying much fine tuning. My gate mounts with two clamps but both tucked away almost under the rub rail near the transom, I felt completely safe with the clamps positioned as they were, but I will trim down the clamp posts so they don't stick up so high and maybe fit something over top to ensure there are no jabby metal bits to snag my anything on.
The gate is 24" long, 9" tall and matches the angle of the boat hull at about 8 degrees off of straight vertical. I used another plastic piece that is 9" by 14" in a T to clamp the gate to the swim platform, it is mounted 5 1/2" inches up from the bottom of the gate piece to match the hull at the side of the boat. I used a piece of pressure treated lumber ripped at the 8 degree angle to mount the two together and to be sure it floats (which it does) so it doesn't drop to the bottom of the lake while I'm switching sides (which takes about 20 seconds) The material I used is 5/8" thick and is similar to cutting board material (HDPE) and was plenty stiff enough. I ran with two 350# sacs on either side of the doghouse, a 550# in front of the back seat and a 225# sac in the bow, a 130# driver and a 150# passenger on the rear seat of the side of the surfer and the wave was completely surfable for my 230# self on an inland surfer red rocket (pretty big board). I found the wave best at a pretty slow 9 mph for the starboard (goofy foot) side and that an increase to 10.5 made the port (regular foot) side clean enough for my 150# buddy to ride on a ronix cortez 5'4" board. The boat was obviously over marked capacity but felt completely safe, especially compared to the lean we used to put on it to get a wave we couldn't surf ropeless with. We generally only surf on days there is no flat water to be had on the lake (drag lake) and this makes a great option without any significant investment to have a bit of fun mid afternoon when the water isn't great.. will have pics up soon... |
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boardersdad
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Not yet. We only get three months of decent weather here, and so far it's rained or has been cold. Plus my workload has been ridiculous for months. And little things, like my alternator went on my truck today... tension pulley on my wife's a week ago... my daughter's door handle linkage broke inside the door... tire trouble with one of the boat trailers... I need to retire just so I have time to fart around with all this stuff!
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TX Foilhead
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Can't we all just get some foils.
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geecee
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any further dev on this, did you get a good working option?
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