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    Posted: May-18-2006 at 12:32pm
I just bought a 1979 Ski Tique (on May 8th) for $3000. I am a novice at inboards. Everything seemed ok with the boat when we tested it in the water and the seller said everything in it was solid. The engine sounded great and the floor solid as well. Just needs lots of tlc and a good cleaning(the hull especially) Well as I am beginning to clean the inside, I have noticed the fiberglass covering the stringers is craked all along the top and water has rotted out the stringers I am almost certain. This is now a project boat! That is not what I wanted, and especially for $3000! I did not know what to look for to see if stringers were solid until looking around in the forums here. Man do I now feel stupid! Do I have any recourse with this guy? What should I do? Any advice would be much appreciated.

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Me again. This guy had to know the stringer system was rotted out. I mean I am a novice and it only took me a week to figure it out. He owned the boat for 3 years. I mean, I would not sell it, and fail to inform people of its true condition.
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Tough question to answer. As to whether you have recourse, it will depend upon your state and local laws.

On the other side, $3000 is actually a pretty low cost for the boat. If I assume it had a trailer, and that everthing is there, that is about what I'd expect to pay for a project boat. It is a lot of work, but you can replace the floor and stringers, fix the upholstery and buff out the exterior and probably have a boat that's worth 5-10K depending upon how well it comes out. BKH
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If you're not having any trouble's with the boats performance, just use it this summer and figure out the repairs over the winter. BKH
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It is actually in pretty good cosmetic shape inside. The seats are in good shape as well as the carpet. I would not replace the carpet if the floor did not need replaced. The performance of the boat seemed ok when we test drove it with the previous owner, but again that was the first time I had been in a correct craft. It does have a trailer but not original. The engine seams to be fine. It runs very smooth and has the great exhaust note out the back, plenty of power with the 4-barrel. I wonder what floor and stringer replacement costs? Any way, I'll see how it is in the water next weekend.
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I agree with BKH...enjoy this summer and redwork the stringers and floor in the fall or winter...
From what you describe , you got a good price...runs good and looks good is easily a 3000.00 boat. Stringer and floor work is not high cost if you do it...and it can be done by a novice if you get the right info....a bunch of us have done it and can tell you how to go about it!
Basics...when your ready , . 1.Pull the old floor up and keep it for a pattern...2.check for soaked foam ( usually soaked if stringers are rotted)...3.determine if sringers are to be replaced or repaired and rework them...4.add new foam if you wish 5. replace the floor and glaas in. 6. add carpet.
You won't ever need to do it again!
If you wish to take it on...when your really, we can assist in each step!
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Hey...forgot to mention...doing it your self is a good way to learn more! For some it's a big part of the enjoyment, knowing you did the work!
Also...in regards to the stringers, overall , they might be better than you think...you won't know for sure until you can see them all and probe a bit. In many cases, stringers can be hardened if the rot is not too deep and in spots...or new sections can be mated in.
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Thanks guys! I feel much better about the boat now and I appreciate your advice on how to do the project. I will contact you when the time comes this fall.

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Well, post some pictures of that boat in the meantime. BKH
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If the bolts to the motor and tranny mounts goin into the stringers are tight, then the stringers may not be as bad as you think.
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To address your first concern...depending on a few more details like engine condition, I don't think anyone on this site would say you got ripped off. You probably paid for what you got and the boat will probably be fine as is for at least the season. Plus, it may be cheeper than you think to repair (not replace) the stringers if you're not into doing it yourself.

One thing for sure...you came to the right place for help.
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Hey BC on wawasee! I am on Tippy! So maybe you could give me some "in person" advice this fall when I decide to tear into the floor. The motor is bolted very solid to the main stringers so maybe it is not as bad as I was worried about. I will post some photos after I detail the boat on Sat. I only have until 3pm though. I forgot Imy wife and I have to go to one of her co-workers wedding. At least there will be free beer!
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Good comments and advice.
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The only thing the stringers do on a tique is hold the engine down and give you a place to screw the floor down to. I cut the top off the runners from the front to the back (the exposed part like 3.5 feeet) and used a chisel and took what was left of the wood and put a 2x6 (or was it 8) and shoved it into the same hole and used bolts to secure it to the existing fiberglass. It is thick fiberglass and when I put the bolts in it is was as strong as you could hope for. It was a great strong fix and will last a lifetime. It took a day to replace. It took me more time to clean up the motor mounts and align the engine again then it did to replace the wood. If you have to remove the foam because it is soaked then you may want to gut it. But if you rather play then fiberglass the this is the fix that I would choose.
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       If the stringers have small soft spots what do you use to harden them,resin,Por 15 or what ? My stringers had some delaminated
fiberglass , but the motor mounts are tight and I'll pull the carpet & floor in the fall.
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First cut away the loose (cracked glass) and scrape away soft wood (what comes off easy)...wire brush and sand a bit...then coat it until it won't take any more(all is absorbed)
Products...you can thin epoxy resin...or use gitrot...or minwax wood hardener. I used the minwax product...my soft spots were where the cross section that holds the pylon meets the main stringer and not very bad...about a 1/2 inch into the stringer was firm.
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crooney70

fredo68 whitley co here
if you bought the boat
from a private owner you
have no legal recourse
it was an as-is sale
if you bought it from a
registered indiana boat
dealer he would have
certanly had you sign a
as-is buyers guide. 3g's
for a neat old boat even
needing work isnt bad,
i bought my 68 mustang
basket case up at james
14 years ago for 2500.

cheer up no worries mate

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If the motor mount bolts are holding firm, then use it as it is for now. I would go ahead and fix the cracked fiberglass so that no (more) water can get in this season. Then you can probe and fix over winter as everyone is suggesting. To fix the cracks, simply buy some fiberglass cloth tape, roughen up the cracked areas and glass in the tape over the cracks.

To probe for soft spots, drill 3/8" inch holes or so in suspect areas. You will know when you hit solid wood. If it soft, drill a series of holes in the soft area and use Gitrot or thinned epoxy resin (thin with acetone) in the holes until it will not take more. If the rot is really bad, you will never get the holes to stop taking resin and then you know you have to replace the stringer.
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Chris unless your planning on moving to Tampa/St. Petersburg area, it's going to be pretty hard for me to help you out. I need to change my signature since I'm not in IN any more.
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Thats ok BC. But I do feel much better now after looking at some of these boats on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Correct-Craft-Ski-Time-V8-50hrs-on-eng-wake-tower_W0QQitemZ4642086249QQcategoryZ63686QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Correct-Craft-Mustang-Ski-Wakeboarding-Boat_W0QQitemZ4639638098QQcategoryZ63686QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I promise to post photos of mine after saturday.

Thanks guys for all of the info and encouragement. If I can sand wood floors in my old house, make orthopedic instuments at work, then I can definately takle this boat project and have fun learning in the process. And again, it might not even be as bad as I originally thought. I am just going to enjoy it this summer!
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$3,000 for any Correct Craft boat is good. As long as your hull and engine are in good condition, you would expect to spend some money fixing it up. I think most of us on this CCF.com have purchased their boats knowing they had to spend money on it to get it right. For me, it was over $7,000 for a $9,900 boat. Don't sweat it, just work with what you have. That's my opinion.

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Photos!

Well guys, Here are the photos I said I would post.
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1336&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980

Decided to start a diarie. I forgot to take a photo of the engine but might do so this week.
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For us lazy people...

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Very nice, worth the money imo.
Should perform nicely with a modern prop.
Consider replacing all steering and control cables with some Morse red-jecket if they are original, replace any cable ends that tend to saw themselves over time. Loss of control is not pretty.
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Chris,

I would be very happy with that purchase. Looks very complete, and the rub rail, windshield, guages and seats looks to be complete and in great shape. I would say enjoy it this summer, and maker her like new this winter. BKH
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Oh, and if your stringers are punky, consider attaching your steering like this. If the pivot pulls away from the stringer, you loose steering...

This way is bulletproof and more modern

http://webpages.charter.net/ggearloose/Steering2.jpg
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Now that is something I like!
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Hey, that's not a bad looking rig. I was expecting worse. You'll have a great summer with this boat. I agree, the winter time will be an opportunity to fix it up. I'd make sure all the mechanical parts that ensure safety are up to snuff. Cosmetics can come later. Nice boat, enjoy!

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Chris,
Assuming you get it all worked out and you will! Bring it to the green lake reunion!
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Your boat looks very nice ! My 82 2001 looks almost as nice for $ 6000. I think you got a great deal . Dan
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