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Mike9812121298
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My guess is the cracked intake manifold leaked water into the lifter valley which put the water in the oil. Plus the exhaust manifold didn't help either. If I find anything other than what I'm doing now I'll be pulling the engine. There's a ton of access working in the boat.
I picked up a i gt40 intake manifold and got the gaskets this afternoon. I need to do a compression test to see the condition of the head gasket |
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gun-driver
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Pull the motor out of the boat and do it right!!!!
It's so much easier to work on it while on a stand. |
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SNobsessed
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Well as long as it is that torn down, pulling the heads & getting them checked for cracks wouldn't be a bad idea. Then you would be certain.
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Mike9812121298
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Dreaming
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Mike, are you aware that the manifolds are essentially double wall? The internal vessel is for the exhaust, and the jacket is for water. if the water jacket is leaking that is likely what you're seeing on the left. the internal jacket could still be bad, as could the left. they need to be removed and pressure tested. There is a thread on this that I did a while ago, you can find it in the FAQ thread. there are several ways to perform the test, but I believe all of them involve removing the manifold.
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Mike9812121298
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Charging battery right. Now but got a couple cranks out of it. Looks to be the left exhaust manifold is leaking right looks ok. I'm gonna pick up some oil tonight and change it out. By then I should the battery should be charged. Knowing how busy boat shops are this time of year it wouldn't surprise me if they just didn't have the time to really look into it other than pulling the stick
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Dreaming
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manifolds are the first place I would start as well, both of mine were cracked from the freeze, and that could be the source of your water leak. FWIW, I agree that you should change the oil and see if you can make it run. then compression test. The registration looks like its a Florida boat, and if I remember correctly, you said that it was a recent transplant to the PNW, so salt is definitely a possibility. If you were wanting to make only one good boat, the engine from your 97 would be a direct swap, if you were inclined to go that route.
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tryathlete
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Mike,
Try to find the source of the leak before you toss it. Maybe change oil and run it to see if it's just a bad manifold. Out your way there's lots of salt water and it could be as simple as ruste through manifolds. Others here who have figured out the way to isolate an internal crack leaking water into oil can weigh in here, as I'm sure there's many tricks to finding the leak path. That's my 2c |
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Crazy how certain parts of the country, Pacific NW for sure, love to drill snaps all over the boats for covers, ughhh
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Mike9812121298
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well pulled the trigger on the second boat. Paid 2,100 for the boat and trailer. Trailer is garage, so ill be looking for a used one. I took a couple pics before i started to clean it up. Boat has 700 hrs. The tech said the oil was milky so it has a internal crack. Should i check anything or just pull it? I didn't have much time before work to do anything to it.
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Dreaming
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GT-40 heads are good, but GT-40P's are better. any automotive guys will try and talk you out of the p's because of the conflict between exhaust and plug in a car, but that is not an issue for our exhaust riser arrangement. the P's are cheaper too if I remember correctly. I think if you are going with a used truck motor, leave the cam for now and see how you like it. No reason to swap it out unless you're looking for something more than the stock will give you.
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shierh
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My 2 cents worth: glad you are getting your feet wet. However I highly recommend you take into consideration the others that have pointed out the flaws in this repair.
Repair is NOT good. This is a higher stress area. Recommend highly that it be ground back from within and 1708 layers added. I would removed exhaust pipe and grind the ransom up about 8" and tab in from there to tie in the repair. Please be aware that these hulls are laid up all at once, all resins cure together making a very strong chemical bond. You are adding a repair to an already cured surface and this is a mechanical bond, not as strong therefore you do have to add other layers and add them well beyond the repair needed. From outside it needs to be ground out some and properly layered with glass. water proof filler, not automotive bondo should be used only to even it up but NOT build it up. Gel coat about 1/6 " thick or a little more is ok to finish the repair. |
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Mike9812121298
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just called around to local wrecking yards, i found a engine from a 96 f250 said compression was good across all cylinders. there asking 550. Using a truck 351 would i want to swap out the cam shaft? Depending the condition of the gt heads i might need to ebay one or two of them. He told me heads and block are cracked. |
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Dreaming
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great Scott! Mike, I wasn't trying to be a negative nancy earlier, I wish you well with your project! 2k sounds like a pretty nice deal for an engine and trans used functional trans would probably be in the 5-700 neighborhood if I had to guess
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Donald80SN
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My Cypress Gardens, 1980 Ski Nautique had a Cleveland engine in it. It was special ordered for the Pope Family.
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10-4 thanks Gary
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gun-driver
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What motor's in it now??
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Mike9812121298
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Starting the search for a engine. Found a PLD-PR-R12/PP with trans for 2000. Says it has 124 hrs on it from a wrecked boat. That looks to be the 240hp out of a 89. How much do the trans used sell for? Does anyone need one?
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flyweed
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it's not that everyone will post negative comments or bad mouth you..... I feel that with that "Bondo" repair still down in the strut mount repair of your first project, everyone here would LIKE to see you repair that correctly, so that it's done and safe for you or the next owner.
Good luck on both projects, if you decide to buy this second one, and I'll continue following the threads! |
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Wisky Badger
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Mike,
If you pick up the new boat please post the progress. It would be neat to see the before and after of that boat wet sanded and buffed. Everyone has there own way of doing things and that is fine, that is what helps us all learn and the wealth of knowledge that has been documented on this site is amazing. Also please keep posting on your first project I think everyone is excited to see the final product. |
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Mike9812121298
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I enjoy the hunt for deals, keeps it exciting. Once u buy then u just have work to do. If I end up buying this second boat, I'll just find a good short block and hope the gt heads are still good or find some new ones. I want to swap that tower over to my first boat. I would almost hate to post that I get it for the fact of the negitive comments that would follow.
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MourningWood
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The Cleveland and Windsor are entirely NOT interchangeable.
Different crank, heads, int. & ex. manifolds, front accessory mounting locations, bell housing bolt pattern....... |
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Dreaming
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I fall into this category too, that's how I recognized the symptoms my concern for mike is that he will have two boats that have signs of rushing/careless planning and he'll get stuck with both boats and no buyers.
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You just described 90% of the people on this site |
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Dreaming
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I think the heads are different, correct? seems that the accessories and the mounting positions would dictate whether you were going to re-engineer stuff or whether you would be able to get off the shelf parts for a Cleveland. The exhaust manifold layout would be the big thing I would be worried about with a swap. Resale in my opinion would also suffer, not from a run ability standpoint, but because now you would have Franken boat that no parts shop would be able to figure out. finding parts would always be a hunt, and usually from automotive sources that could get you in trouble. Just curious, why not finish the boat you have already? get it to 100%, then get another one to dive into. You seem like a consummate project guy, but it also seems you might have trouble with the last 10% of finish work... your excitement seems to be more about the hunt and the getting started parts than seeing your projects through to completion?
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gun-driver
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Any Windsor block will work nothing associated with the block denotes the GT-40 badge unless you want to go roller cam then you need a F4TE block.
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MrMcD
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The Cleveland and Windsor engines have little in common other than displacement at 351 inches.
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Gary S
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GT 40's are Windsors. Cleveland's have not been built for a long time
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