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KENO
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Why do I have this wild urge to go listen to some oldies like "Fly like an Eagle" "Abracadabra" and "Take the money and run" ?
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KENO
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For Steve
If you really want to match the original color, I can send you the top of that secondary diaphragm chamber. I have no real attachment to it and have others that can take it's place. If you want it send me a PM with your address |
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Gary S
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Well it's what mine was painted before I got it so I just copied it. Being a HM I now think it should have been the lighter shade but this has kinda grown on me. I used Bill Hirsch engine enamel, "Ford Blue '41-42 up to '48" link
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KENO
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Note...............He must have changed the title of the thread then |
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KENO
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Here's a picture showing PCM blue compared to Dark Ford Blue fresh from the spray can
Even 42 years of aging won't make it the same |
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TRBenj
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What color Gary? Not one of the 3 mentioned so far...
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Gary S
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Sure looks pretty close enough to this-
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8122pbrainard
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I wasn't trying to "pass off" anything. Note that I stated my engine is an Escort. Note that the ID of Steve's engine hadn't been determined when I posted. |
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KENO
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Here's a picture of what Tim is talking about, it's real genuine 42 year old 76 Pleasurecraft blue on a carburetor. The picture was taken with no flash in normal room light It definitely darker than what Pete is trying to pass off as anything close It was never glossy from day 1 . You'd probably have to custom mix some blue and black if you really want to have the same color. I also took pictures of the 76 valve covers but the bright sun kinda affected the shots. And....I still have the butt ugly green manifolds too if you want to try matching that color |
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8122pbrainard
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Steve, I feel you have the wrong idea about powder coating. The "baking" is not to adhere the coating but to melt it. It's basically a plastic powder sprayed onto a warm surface and then when it goes back into the oven the powder melts together. Adhesion has been improved through the years but it's still not as good as wet paint where there's a chemical bonding. Have you ever had the plastic coating on plier handles slip off? I always use that as an analogy. |
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Mille1sj
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I am not opposed to wet paint and primer. I assumed powder would hold up better being baked on. If that’s not the case, wet paint would be fine. |
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TRBenj
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That would indicate a valvetrain issue, so that is good news.
The Waukesha (and early PCM’s) used a darker blue than the ones shown in the thread that Pete linked. I think reid had some custom mixed for jmurphs promo. The 71 HM in that thread is ford blue (1601), and there are some pics of the Ford Dark blue in there also. Old ford blue is somewhere in between the 2 in darkness... that’s what Pete’s escort appears to be. Now there are some all blue (manifolds included) PCM’s (not including the rebranded escorts) that we’re made around ‘77 that could have been old ford blue... but I haven’t seen very many like that. They used something darker with the green manifolds that were more typical both before and after that point. |
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8122pbrainard
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Steve,
Here's the 302 Escort in my 77 Tique. Why the powder coat? I feel a wet engine paint with a primer would hold up better. |
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Mille1sj
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Thanks, I’ll compare some of these colors to our. Our intake looks limitation to the brighter old ford blue, the block is a dark blue with almost a slight green tint to it. We did have the bright green manifolds originally, I wasn’t a huge fan of the green, but I may go back to it to keep it original. |
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Mille1sj
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Yes, ran it again with some oil added, still showed 0 psi. |
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8122pbrainard
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TRBenj
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Depends on the year, I believe ‘77 would have been pretty dark blue with bright green manifolds. I want to say it’s darker than the off the shelf options (at least the ford colors). Did you run a wet compression test after running it dry?
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Mille1sj
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Does anyone have pictures of an original 302 that would have been in a Ski Tique? We pulled our engine today to get ready for our stringer replacement. We did a compression test and found the number 6 cylinder at 0 psi.
I started removing parts so we can diagnose the problem and see what needs to be fixed. While it is apart, I want to have components powder coated. I would like to return it to the original color scheme, but I do not know exactly what that is. There are multiple shades of Ford blue currently, some place parts that I replaced. The original manifolds and risers were green, I painted them blue when I replaced them. Any help on correct colors or pictures would be greatly appreciated. |
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