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Kristof
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Posted: May-06-2019 at 5:21am |
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Still, you would be surprised how atmospheric V8 engines are quite popular over here. Problem is that with all these ignorant climate idiots, you won't be able to drive them anymore with their "Low Emission Zones"... And I love the torque of my six-cylinder-turbo-charged-two-point-five-liter-BMW-diesel-engine |
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And Diesel Fuel!
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8122pbrainard
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I too am impressed since all they are used to working on over in Belgium are dinky engines with turbos on them! Kristof, Again, great job. |
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gt40KS
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Awesome Kristof - always good when a plan comes together!!
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NICE!!!
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Jonny Quest
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Congratulations! I just love a rebuild that starts, runs and performs as planned/advertised.
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Kristof
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Update:
Engine is doing great. No leaks anywhere and oil is still nice and clear.. The wife and I made a long ride on the boat last wednesday, letting it warm up easliy and checking everything from time to time and using a variety of throttle inputs. Then I decided to see what she does at WOT... Well... She shoots out of the hole like a jaguar running for it's prey and climbs in the RPM's like it's nothing... WOT is 4900 RPM and 76 Km/h (47,22 mph) Kinda happy... |
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Kristof
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No mayonnaise anymore, just nice clear oil. Checked the dipstick multiple times during the test run (shut down a few times)…
I sure will check and re-check quite a few times, before I myself am convinced everything is running as it should... |
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gt40KS
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Good to know everything is back together and you are getting the performance you had wanted! Sounds like you're going to have a blast this summer with all that newly acquired horses
As Benj says, keep an eye on that oil for a few more outings, but if you've run it for a while already and there's no sign of issues, I'd say your chances are good everything is OK. Have a great season .... and let's see some pictures !! |
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TRBenj
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Confirmed no mayonnaise after the test run? I’d be keeping a constant eye on it to confirm you fixed the root cause.
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Kristof
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So....
Last week after getting back from Paris with my lovely wife, we decided to get the boat in the water for a test run... After letting the motor slowly warm up, looking at all the gauges on the dash with an eagle eye, listening to the engine making beautiful music with no strange sounds whatsoever, I "dropped the hammer" a few short times to see how she reacts... It's a beast! It's like a whole new boat... She shoots out of the hole like a maniac and climbs in the revs in no time. No WOT yet, because I want to let everything set in a few more normal runs. I used to be able to pull 10 skiers on my showteam with the previous setup, but now I am pretty much convinced I can pull the required 12 people for our 4 tier pyramid... We will see how that goes this coming season. Meanwhile weather has gone worse so I will have to wait untill it improves again to run her some more on the water. And after a few more runs, we will start the conversion to electronic ignition... Thanks again to Joe (gt40KS) for making this possible! And thanks for all the help and info from others on this wonderful forum! Now... Let the season begin! |
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Glad you got it fired up. Nice Work.
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gt40KS
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Everything is looking great Kristof! And just in time for the first spring run
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Kristof
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Thanks for the info JQ
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You want 10 degrees before top dead center for your ignition timing.
JQ |
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BTW, guru's...
Are the timing specs mentionned in the technical manual accurate? Or is it different due to the new GT40P heads? |
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Update:
Pressure tested the exhaust manifolds with the new gaskets. No leaks! Engine rebuild coming to an end. All parts refitted and torqued to factory specs (the techincal manuals I downloaded and printed from the reference section here came in handy! But had to convert all the ft lbs numbers to newton meters we use here in Europe ). My old pushrods and rockers (who are in perfect condition) all fitted perfectly in the new GT40P heads. We turned the motor by hand several times to check and re-check. We gave several parts a fresh coat of paint (intake manifold, heads, exhaust manifolds, coil,...) so the motor looks a little nicer Next on the menu: drain the remaining oil. Put new oil in. Start her up and adjust timing with the timing lamp... Let her spin for a while. Then drain oil again and put fresh oil in again... And when all is well and running fine, this little upgrade will be fitted also: And a friend of my friend offered to make a stainless steel Y-pipe for a sweet price, so I can get rid of that butt ugly invertaflo muffler |
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We spray welding all the time in our business. Parts we sell are so expensive and often times unavailable. Lots of guys used it on larger engine blocks if the deck height is below specification. They need a solutions when Cat decides to not stock a part and a 300,000 dollar machine is down because of a 2500 dollar part.
Would be an interesting test to have one of our vendors re spray a stock cam and re grind. |
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JoeinNY
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We would call that Spray Welding, often the only option to rebuild the older RH cams if they are excessively worn - pretty sure the one in Reidp's 413 that lives in my boat was resprayed and then reground. I haven't seen anyone using that technique on cast iron manifolds personally but don't see any reason why it couldn't work |
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MrMcD
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I was in a Cam Grinding shop and they were using the Cold Weld process to weld up the bearing surfaces on Hollow Camshafts like you find in the Ford 4.6L and 5.4L.
I should explain these cams are lower cost to manufacture, they take a hollow tube and insert all the cam lobes into the correct positions at the factory and then blow a Steel ball bearing through the tube. As the ball bearing passes down the tube it expands the hollow shaft locking the cam lobes and bearing surfaces in place. Believe it or not the process has been working since the late 90's. They are lighter and cost less than a traditional cast iron cam shaft. The hollow shaft is pretty hard to work with but this process allows them to oversize the bearing surfaces with the cold weld and then grind it on the cam grinder to size. Allows them to oversize bore the overhead cam Heads to save the heads with bore damage. If a cam journal is damaged in the overhead valve heads which are aluminum it is hard to repair so before this process new heads were purchased. The air flow was very high speed and very noisy to witness but it worked very well. They welded all the journals in about 1 minute and handed me the camshaft. It was warm but not hot. I think the process will open the door to many more repairs that previously could not be attempted. |
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UPS says end of day!
If you need more I got piles of em. None as shiny tho. |
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JoeinNY
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Cold welding typically refers to welding (often aided by pressure) of clean surfaces in a vacuum - We do that where I work. It is also what happens when I let the green lake prop shop sell me a stainless prop nut instead of a brass one. I haven't seen the process you are referring to yet but would be interested to, although I would have to give it some deeper thought on whether it could help with the problems of stress cracking in repairing castings - you would have less overall expansion and shrinkage but higher localized temp gradient which is why it cracks next to the weld - I'd need a beer to figure on it proper. Pretty sure I met that TRBENJ fellow before... and half sure he is sending me cracked exhaust manifolds in the mail today... |
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MrMcD
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Joe, Thanks for the cast weld information. I saw a process known as cold welding and wondered if that could work. They flow high volume air on the weld as they weld so the surrounding metal does not get hot. You can weld and pick the part up with a bare hand no glove right as you finish welding. I was wondering if this technology had migrated to fixing cast iron.
Tim, is TRBENJ, I originally responded to his note about cracked manifolds. Mark |
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JoeinNY
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I am still not Tim - but cast iron can be welded successfully sometimes. High Nickel rods along with extensive cleaning, preheating, and controlled cooling are required. Even then the success of the process often depends on the quality of the casting and the particular location being repaired. There's a good radiator shop around here that will give it a shot for about $150 bucks but no guarantees. They are batting .500 on the manifolds I have had them try, maybe a little less in that the one that worked they needed to touch up a few small leaks after the fact. The one that didn't work would just crack again next to the weld while cooling. Those were external cracks, something internal that would leak into the cylinders is much more complicated. At those prices/risk it is generally not worth the effort for any cast iron manifold that can still be bought new. PCMs are hard to pressure test, but as this happened during the course of the season and ice was likely not involved the gaskets would be the primary suspect. Filling with water and looking for leaks is a good first step. Planning on cleaning up the surfaces and replacing the gaskets at this point would seem to be warranted on a refresh of this extent even if there was no water in the oil last season. |
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I got the message... I promise you I will be a good boy and pressure test the manifolds [/QUOTE] Kristof, I never had my doubts that you got the message. Your English is better than Tim's! |
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Kristof
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I got the message... I promise you I will be a good boy and pressure test the manifolds But just to be absolutely clear... Pressure test manifolds as well as risers right? Edit: can I mount the manifold and riser back together with the new gaskets in between. Then put them on the bench in a position similar as on the boat, connect the garden hose to the water inlet of the manifold and let the water run. Then check the exhaust inlets if there is water trickling down...? |
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Tim, can you weld the manifolds to repair or is replacement the only option?
I have seen some shops that can weld cast iron now using new techniques. The hard part is welding and not distorting. |
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And pressure test the manifolds. Every time I’ve had water in the cylinders (and the resulting milky oil), it was due to a cracked exhaust manifold (or 2).
Maybe it’s the language barrier, but the message above doesn’t seem to be sinking in. |
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