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Whitfield
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Posted: July-16-2010 at 4:59pm |
Pics of my misery
Unfortunatly it is not a Nautique and Dixie boat works went out of business after changing hands a few times ~ so replacement parts will be a little more difficlt to find. Any suggestions for a knowledgable parts resource? How exactly does one measure up a strut? I'm looking at removing the bent unit and measuring base / bolt pattern / angle / and bushing od / bushing tube legnth. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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Whitfield
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IT is SEF-1312 cast into the strut body. Anyone recognise the strut manufacturer?
No luck on that casting number so far. Rough dimensions (as measured on the boat are) Base = 5 7/8 x 3 1/4 Mounting holes = 4 1/2 x 2 1/4 Bushing tube legnth = 6 1/16 |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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Did the prop fare that well??? It doesn't look like it was touched.
I think I remember a thread somewhere about someone straightening a strut...but I'm not sure. It may be an option to consider. Be patient, it's the GL reunion weekend, may be quiet around here till Monday. |
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Whitfield
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I understand about GL ~ it is cool that CCfan has such an event for it's members. I feel like the black sheep with my off brand, often think I should bail out on my boat and join the Nautique club.
On the prop ~Blade on upper rt is bent towards the camera. I scored a clean replacment $75 OJ 13x13 RH off of Ebay last night. The log was HUGE and only a soft ball size nub sticking out of the water. We were coming back at dusk which probally didn't help but I had seen and avoided other debris in the area with out issue. When we hit I was afraid it had taken the entire shaft prop and rudder with it. Fortunatly it did not and we could still make forward progress. We idled the remainig 4 miles up river back to the landing. Luckily the rudder and tracking fins faired well. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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Air206
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Michael:
That sounds like my lake ..... sneaky, log infested areas. Where did this happen? I am at Smith Mountain Lake in SW Virginia..... Steve |
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eric lavine
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do you have insurance?
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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Gary S
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Mike all is not lost. Mine was bent when I got it,took it to a good prop repair place and they were able to repair it. Pull your shaft out and have it checked to make sure it's ok too
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Keeganino
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Tough break! I hate to hear that. I wouldn't bail on the old girl yet.
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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Looking at the angle/twist, if I was a betting man, I would bet the house the shafts bent.
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Whitfield
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Yesterday was the first time I got to ski behind my project. Wife pulled me on Trick & Slalom. I had perma grin until I found the strut bent this morning. We were on the James River about 10 miles below Richmond Va. I towed 12 miles to deep water and better beaches as opposed to launching in the swamp .8 mile behind the house. Guess I should have stayed in my own back yard.
No insurance ~ would they really cover this? If so I'm adding that to my list. Parts alone could get close to that B.O.A.T. acronym Thanks for the tip Gary ~ I had not thought of a prop repair shop for strut repair. I've got one good shop here but very very few inboards in this area. I have relatives down on the Chesapeake bay and with the commercial watermen I know inboards and prop repair are a way of life for them. I'll look into it further. Thanks for the encouragement and sympathy. I'll try to pull it down this weekend and check the shaft. We checked it prior to reinstall so im familure with that proceedure. Think I may have found the answer on the strut measurements http://www.marinehardware.com/downloads/running_gear.pdf |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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eric lavine
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whit, collision????? of course they cover it, and I even get the insurance companies to pull and rebuild the trans and change the damper, ARE shaft, prop, alignment, it could be in the upwards of a 4k repair
the problem with straightening struts is you have no ending point, you have to eyeball them and hope you get it right |
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SNobsessed
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The strut can be straightened but it is easier to buy new.
Here is anothers source: www.deepblueyachtsupply.com |
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Gary S
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Using that logic it would be easier to just get a new boat
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eric lavine
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those premiums always hit the mail on time
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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Whitfield
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Sent my strut out priority mail to:
http://www.murphyspropellers.com/index.html They said for straightening a strut most generally run around $40 - $60. Talking to my uncle he said Murphy's did all the prop work for my grandparents shop 1955-1988 (I was 13 in 88) and Murphy's does work for the Navy facility he works at now. ~ Reputable place Dropping my strut in the mail gave me a queezy feeling. Insured it for $300 just incase as some CC replacments have listed for that and more. Also took lots more measurements and tracings before sending it away. I've got a good feeling it was not straight before (Shaft was low and to the right of center in the log) with the chopped up trailer bunks and all. If they can get it close I think I can work with it from there. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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Whitfield
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Still looking for a replacment as a spare or just incase this one does not make it.
Base = 1/4" thick Fasteners = 3/8" with counter sunk holes Base dimensions = 3 1/4" x 5 5/8" Hole pattern = 2 1/4" x 4 1/2" Barrel = 6 1/4" long Barrel Bore = 1 1/4" ID Front drop = 4 5/8" from base to barrel center line Rear drop = 6 1/4" from base to barrel center line Back sweep is just under 2" (Looks like 1 7/8") Shaft Dia = 1" Weight = Boxed weight with plastic cutlas bushings and packing peanuts was 6 lbs. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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Gary S
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Mike check here. The only thing I think your missing is the hole bore diamater for the shaft.
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Whitfield
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Thanks ~ I edited the post above to include the bore & weight too.
A couple from the links posted above look close but no ringers. Strut also looks very close to the dimensions of a the 1984 2001 Nautique Strut on Ebay ~ I just can't take a $300 guess. Maybe I can find a cheap used or damaged 2001 strut to check for measuremnt / fit. Studying long forgotten Geometry at 1am to find the angle with only the measurements given above. Might just have to wait until morning (working graveyard shift) when I can take my drawing and work with a rt. triangle. |
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Michael ....
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eric lavine
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shaft? prop? you can move the strut around to get correct alignment, its not a science with those struts and they dont carry close tolerances, once out you will have to spend some time getting it centered and moving the engine...but then again it may fall right back into place
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Whitfield
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What are the odds that the my repaired strut will position the shaft to refit center of the log using the same holes. I am concerned as I have heard of some folks neddeing to fill and redrill strut holes thru the hull to obtain the proper shaft / log alignment.
Is redrilling common? I figure it is a given I will need to redrill for any alternate strut, Am I wrong to think this? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Worked the prop shaft this morning. The A.R.E. shaft faired well. It was only out .010 Got to assist my friend Dave working it back straight using an air over hydraulic 40 ton press. Made up (3) 2"x2"x1/16" aluminium squares to keep from marring the shaft in the press then went to work. It took 6 tons to move it ~ I am always amazed at how far these shafts give before they bend. Working it back in to spec was a long slow process. Press / check / mark repeat. Took manipulating it with 30 - 40 baby steps in the press to get it back in to the .003 spec. While any elementry aged kid could do the physical work the skill and feel involved with this type of press work was way above my head. I'm sure I would have made it into an expensive stainless pretzel. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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Whitfield
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Strut made it to Norfolk Va 3:44am sunday morning - 15 Hrs from shiped time ~ now awaiting delivery. Way to go USPS if only the rest of government could get the job done as efficiently.
Prop shop says 2 day turn around. SkiDim found me a matching NEW replacement STRUT (same casting #) for $300. Thinking about collecting a spare set of underwater gear (just-in-case) since I'm now up to 3 props. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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Whitfield
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Thanks again to Gary. My strut repair was $55.
Strut should be here today / tomorrow. Prop is already here. SkiDIm order with fresh prop nut and 3/16 packing should arrive today. Hope to assemble tomorrow and be back on the water this weekend. (fingers crossed) Meanwhile ~ I'm Collecting parts to swap in spare trans after main summer season ends (Rear main seal / fresh trans cooler lines / new damper). Hopefully once I get the cover back on the boat I'll quit bleeding $$$ long enough to save a few pennys and get the trans out to Eric. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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eric lavine
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at times you may have to oblong the mounting holes, I will mock it all up first then come back with 5200 a go to town, mark your strut at the hull with a sharpie if need be then pull and glue and put back in same spot paying attention to log
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Whitfield
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Thanks for the tip. Can't wait for that BIG brown truck to arrive.
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Michael ....
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Amen! |
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Whitfield
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I think I got a big brown box of poo
Looks like the tool they used to straighten the strut damaged the strut bore and cracked the brass. Bore is now distorted and shaft does not fit the hole. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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Whitfield
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Disgusted ~ Very Very disgusted....
Option 1. Send strut back to Murphy for correction. I only get off of work 1 weekend per month and this is it ~ so that would kill boating this weekend. that would only leave 1 weekend in August left. Option 2. Send strut to local Mom and Pop prop shop where they might can knock it out tomorrow Option 3. File damage area back round reinsert strut bushing and run it until end of season. I'm not very comfortable with the crack. Option 4. Machine off 1/2" of damaged strut. I could do this tonight would remove the egged bore and the crack. My strut bore is over 6" long I notice that most are shorter. This might not have too great of an effect on the prop shaft. Forward strut bore ~ toward motor is where the damage occurred. Please tell me why I should not go with option #4. |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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8122pbrainard
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WOW!!!! Have you called them on it yet? Look's like the had the "kid" out back run the hydraulic press!! I'm sorry to see this happen. It can be welded and rebored but by the time you do that, a new one may be the better option. How the "H" could they send that back to you like that??? One thing for sure is never trust a uncle and guys, NEVER EVER send ANY work to Murphy's prop shop - got it!!! If they did that to a strut which is really pretty "beefy", I wonder what they do to props? "Sir, your prop just broke in two pieces - Sorry but we now need to sell you a brand new prop"
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Keeganino
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Bumbaklot! What a sham. There is nothing worse than messing with a man's free time when there is so precious little.
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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Whitfield
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The shop was closed when UPS delivered my strut. I will call them first thing in the morning.
Option 5. What about just pressing the 2-piece cutlas bearing in about 1/2". With my 6" strut their is 2" of room in the middle left to do this, taking the distorted section of the barrel out of the equation with out correcting or further damaging the faulty work. Option 6. Found a guy who parted out a boat like mine locally last month. He has parts for sale. Driving over to buy his strut 2nd thing in the AM. So far I've only spoken to his wife so this is reaching out on a limb but I've got nothing to loose he is with in an hrs drive. My strut has a casting # of SEF 1312 S.E.F. = SouthEastern Foundries SouthEastern Foundries produces non ferrous castings and is know for it's line of marine driveline equipment SouthEastern Foundries Corp 2706 Oakland Ave Greensboro, NC 27403 336-299-7212 southeasternfoundries.com |
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Michael ....
I'm the black sheep ~ 1984 Dixie 299 Super Skier (350 Chev PCM / counter rotation / Velvet drive) Open Bow. |
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