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    Posted: August-27-2010 at 7:21pm
I have a 2001 Ramlin Tandem axle trailer. I am tire of the bow stop ripping my boat cover and deforming my rub rail. Has anyone removed the bow stop to add a under rub rail stop? Thanks
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Post a pic. But, if it is whast I'm thinking of, why are running the boat all the way up to it?
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Originally posted by SN206 SN206 wrote:

Post a pic. But, if it is whast I'm thinking of, why are running the boat all the way up to it?


You kinda have to. For starters, it structurally stabilizes the trailer with the boat on it. Without, you get a lot of bounce since the trailer is a 2-bunk "wishbone" trailer. 2ndly, even if you do not initially get it up to the bow stop, just the action of driving the trailer around will cause the boat to settle into the bow stops.
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Do you have enough space on tongue for a Bow-eye stop to be added? Is yours like my Ram-lin and has a winch strap through the bow stop pillar?

Perhaps a bow-eye stop originating from the area of the turnbuckle attachment may be the ticket.
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Your putting the trailer too far into the water when loading it.

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behindpropeller- i have to bring close enough to bow stop to be able to attach turnbuckle. I does not matter how far back i load it. I drive thru the mountains for 3 hours. I need something to stop it from moving forward. I do not have a winch. Just bow stop and turnbuckle. A v type stop at the hull would be nice. I was just wondering if anyone else has done this mod. How do i post a pic?
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Originally posted by dcoll dcoll wrote:

behindpropeller- i have to bring close enough to bow stop to be able to attach turnbuckle. I does not matter how far back i load it. I drive thru the mountains for 3 hours. I need something to stop it from moving forward. I do not have a winch. Just bow stop and turnbuckle. A v type stop at the hull would be nice. I was just wondering if anyone else has done this mod. How do i post a pic?


If the boat is still floating level in the water when you hit the bow stop then you have the trailer too deep in the water. Trailer fenders should be 1-2" above the waterline when loading.

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Tim:

This isn't a loading issue. If I load with the rail 4" from the stop and the turnbuckle is connected and tightened, the boat will walk forward. This stinks because the turnbuckle begins to push into the gel and the bow gets up/down travel. I think this is more of an issue with trailers that have the turnbuckle attached at the base of the bow stop pillar than ones which have a separate (and farther aft) attachment point.

Our hilly terrain makes the same thing happen.... and Dan's Boat is heavier than mine.........
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Thank you Air 206. You are exactly right about the turnbuckle. It is mounted at the bas of the bow stop. I just want to be able to see pics of a hull stop installed on a trailer like mine. I have a pic but i do not know how to post. It seems that no matter where the turnbuckle is mounted the boat will still slide without a stop or jam the turnbuckle.
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Originally posted by Air206 Air206 wrote:

Tim:

This isn't a loading issue. If I load with the rail 4" from the stop and the turnbuckle is connected and tightened, the boat will walk forward. This stinks because the turnbuckle begins to push into the gel and the bow gets up/down travel. I think this is more of an issue with trailers that have the turnbuckle attached at the base of the bow stop pillar than ones which have a separate (and farther aft) attachment point.

Our hilly terrain makes the same thing happen.... and Dan's Boat is heavier than mine.........


I didn't say to load the boat 4" from the bow stop. Drive it to the bow stop. If the trailer is too far in the water and you drive it to the bow stop it will rotate and pull the rub rail.


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Still leave it 4" from the bow stop then weld in a "V" on the frame of the trailer. That way the boat will ride / load better, the bow stop will be used for it's purpose, and you won't tear up your cover. Do a search for "posting pics" and several will come up.
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Maybe i did not explain this correctly. I load my boat and not touching the bow stop. I attach the turnbuckle and do not over tighten. I put cover on and drive home. By the time i get home the boat has slid forward hitting the bow stop. The rub rail gets deformed after the boat slides and the rub rail rubs a hole in my $760 custom cover from bouncing down the highway. The turnbuckle's position will on keep it from sliding off and NOT from sliding forward to the bow stop. I need to have a "V" stop welded to my trailer. I was hoping that someone had this problem and corrected it. Maybe I am the only guy with this issue. Still cannot figure out how to insert pics.
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1. Look at the bottom left of the "last" post.
2. You will see a blueish gray box that says "Post Reply", click on it.
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4. Click on said box and find location of photo to upload.
5. Note: you may ahve to resize photo to be less thamn 500 meg.

I believe I understand your situation and think welding in a "V" is the right thing to do. We'll have a better idea when pic is posted
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Here is a pic of my trailer
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My boat on the trailer
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Looks like a poly roller to "V" would work perfect.
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Thank you. Now you say mount it so the bow rub rail is 4" from bow stop? Will the boat bow even hit the bow stop?
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Mount above or below bow eye? i would assume below so turnbuckle can attach.
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This might be a dumb question but is your trailer level when you tow it? I realize that things will always walk forward when towed but if you're lower in front it would probably make things worse.   

And mount any rollers above the bow eye, otherwise the boat will hang up on it.
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Yes, when it needs to. Like when some a-hole pulls out in front of you and you don't want to become intimate with your boat.
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Originally posted by dcoll dcoll wrote:

Mount above or below bow eye? i would assume below so turnbuckle can attach.


Below and further back, somewhat below the boat in the v-part of your hull.
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I always floated my boats on the trailer by hand. I would just barely let the rubrail touch the bowstop. It would still slide forward on the way home, so i would loosen the pinch bolt to move the Bowstop forward so it would not compress the rubrail and deform it..
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I tighten the pinch bolt to push the bow stop aft so that when I get to boat ramp, I can loosen so that I can get my boat cover off. I have forgotten to tighten and my boat slides forward and I cannot remove cover.
To respond to other about my boat trailering low in the front. You need a little more weight in the front to keep from swaying.
No one else must have them same trailer. The only solution that I see is a hull stop. I have tried everything.
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Gonna use this for the 66 Skylark trailer.
Do something like, cutting your bow stop down, put an angle to the tubing and move your stop back to those holes behind where it's attached now. Follow?


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You have a flip up trailer tongue, right? .. Similar to Marty Mabe's 1993 SN Trailer...

I would be mindful of the "up" position of the tongue so that the welded-on V doesn't interfere............ keep that flip action useful....
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You need a more downward pull on the bow eye. Put an eye bolt in one of the holes on the flipping tongue piece and move the turnbuckle there. Holding the nose down will keep the bow from bouncing. Trailering with the cover on will damage it and the boat.
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I have had the same problem and usually I0 notice it most when towing long distances where you might have had to brake hard at some point.
I run a short ratchet strap from the boweye back through two factory welded rings about 18" aft of bowstop (yes, mine is a Ramlin) and snug it up. This seems to help so far.
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Martymabe, your boat and trailer are awesome. Sooo cool. I want to thank all of you for giving your time and expertise. Out of all the suggestions, I will first try harddock's for now. This is a great idea without doing any modification to the trailer. I like to keep the trailer original. I feel like a cheesedoodle that I did not think of this. Once again thank you guy's for everything. I am going to the lake this weekend and hope to get those straps. I will let you know how it turns out.
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dcoll -- is your cover a snap on and if so, have you considered having your cover altered so it doesn't contact the crash pads when it's on? I have a custom cover on mine and it has notches that allow me to put the cover on w/out contact of the crash pads. I know this doesn't address the rub-rail deforming issue, but it's probably a lot less effort to have done.

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