The latest and greatest in shoreline destruction!

Matt,
I sure agree and feel it won't be long before laws will be enacted. Besides the shoreline damage, that wake would lift my pier sections! Some of the ballasted board boats are almost doing it now.

DrStevens wrote: Gross, I guess I am stuck in the 70,s.

You and me both brother.

Plenty of tuber complaints here and of course they do disturb the water for skiers; but in the big picture this is really just an annoyance.

Wakeboats, on the other hand, can be an actual menace to boating safety. Not much trouble in the Southwind battleship, but I've run across a few in my much smaller/lower Century and in a narrow patch of water it can be dangerous.....plowing down the lake like they own it with their gigantic wakes, speakers blaring, with little care for safety or etiquette. I think there may be a different mindset between the guy with a $5K classic and the guy who can plunk down $100K. I'm sure there are plenty of courteous wakeboaters here on CCF, but I haven't seen many on the water.    

I don't see what the fuss is all about .... My 26' Pursuit can make the same wake at 2000 rpms and not on plane, I can even change the wake with my trim tabs, if I threw a constant wake like that in my harbor or cove the harbor master would yell at me and my fellow boaters would burn my boat on the mooring! I can only imagine the fuel bill! Thank god the Mustang can't make that much of a wake!!

Waternut wrote: It must be winter...with all the hateful surf and wakeboard posts lately, people are obviously looking for stuff to whine about. If every joe blow in your area is going to have a brand new $130k boat next year, I'm clearly in the wrong location.

John,
Do you own lakefront property or are you just a "day" boater?

somehow one of the photos didn't upload:

You guys must live on lakes that wont allow anything over a 21'boat.
A 25' Cobalt at 15mph will put out a much bigger wake than my 210 can ever hope for?

8122pbrainard wrote: mrinboard wrote: Hey old guys! You need to stop bitching about everybody that doesn't barefoot or slalom ski wakeboarders and wake surfers have every right to the lake as the almighty footers and skiers. So either adapt or get out of the way. And yes Pete I own lake front property Mike, You are absolutely correct that everyone has the right to public waters UNTIL they start to tear up the shoreline. I sure hope your shoreline has some kind of protection.

Pete,
Yes Sir 20ton of river rock does a great job

Ya Im on Shriner lake I love it here, I have some friends on chapmen. I was told that Nautique wanted to market wake surfing to the over people over 50 because they where the only people that could afford the new Nautiques

Our lake can make waves bigger than any wake board boat, so it's not an issue at all, but like any boat, the driver has to be respectful of others. It all comes down to the driver, whether tubes, jet skis, surfing or even slalom. At the last NE Reunion a surf boat drove right up to our raft and sent a tsunami at us. Fortunately, no one got hurt and no boats were damaged.

Pete, do you have back lot properties in your area?

My issue with the shoreline concern - and yes i own lakefront property - is that amount of erosion is directly dependent on where the water level is. And is highly variable across the years. So I personally feel it is hypocritical for someone even me to say you are messing up more shoreline. And also I don't think it is more moral to not make a wake then make a wake.

How would those that ski and are against wake surfing feel if their lake - where they own property - had an association that banned gas motor boats for just canoe's and paddle boats. Quite obviously it is a matter of degree.

8122pbrainard wrote: John, Do you own lakefront property or are you just a "day" boater?

Yes I do own lakefront property and I'm in between the only two ramps open to the public on this lake so I get the majority of boat traffic passing by my house. Most people I hear complaining about shoreline damage here have added some kind of beach for themselves and they're upset because they have to keep adding sand. The main "damage" I see on my shoreline is excess sand and dirt that gets washed in and makes the shoreline shallower so when we have a drought, it's harder for me to get my boat off the lift.

To my knowledge there are no boat restrictions on this lake right now. There are multiple people who bring/own cigarette boats on this lake. They are loud and obnoxious but as far as I'm concerned, they are welcome too and the dual V8's can sound nice sometimes. At least I don't have to pay their fuel bill.

Wow, insert guns for Nautique and I could move that to another thread.

Waternut wrote:    Most people I hear complaining about shoreline damage here have added some kind of beach for themselves and they're upset because they have to keep adding sand.

This practice is illegal in the state of Wisconsin. This is one of the DNR's regulations I happen to like. You actually need a permit to rock your shoreline and they even regulate the size of the rock at the water line and behind it for 2 feet. No ugly looking seawalls are permitted ether.

mrinboard wrote: Pete, Yes Sir 20ton of river rock does a great job

Mike,
Ether you have very little lakefront footage, have miscalculated the tons or they whet with just a small layer of rock. 20 tons is less than 10 cu. yds. How big is the river rock?

The way we solve the problem here on the Fox is to put in a seawall,that way everyone can enjoy the wake long after the boat is gone
I can just see how this is going to go-- I was out surfing and all these jetski jerks were bothering me. Something has to be done about them

If car or trucks drove over my yard would it bother me? If I knew that from year to year depending on mother nature the curb was going to move around then I would quit worrying about those 3 feet of yard. Just like I realized I could not worry about those 3 feet of shore line.

I understand that a wake is more destructive than no wake. But it is a matter of degree. You disagree? A wakeboard wake is worse than a ski wake, and a ski wake is worse then a pontoon wake, and a pontoon wake is worse than a paddleboat/canoe lake. And if people managed their shoreline to the canoe wakes, then they can be upset with skier's. And if people built their shoreline for ski wakes then they can be upset with wakeboarders and surf wakes. It is a matter of degree.

I had beautiful sod put in when we built this house put within 2 feet of the water. Then it rained and the lake rose, and it wrecked about a foot of sod. Oh my money lost. Then boats went by and I lost another foot or two. And I realized I had a lot to learn. Then the water went down the next year and weeds grew were my sod and shoreline were, and big boats went by when lake was high and another foot. And then lake went down and big boats went by and did nothing....You getting the point.

Maybe you need to extend your rocks up 3 feet and down 3 feet. Just pay more money to have larger seawall. Silly right, where would it end? Why should you pay more for larger seawall? But how do you know that the breadth of your seawall is right? Maybe you are trying to manage it too narrowly.

But why is it fair for land owners to complain about erosion. Maybe regulation should be for landowners to have a certain minimum length seawall. Or not to put anything within x feet of ordinary high water line. Could also argue this is silly. But at least it would be based on ordinary high water line. Which could be updated on a moving average every x amount of years.