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Mojo ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: December-06-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3104 |
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On Green Lake, one doesn't need ballast to creat wakes.. Isn't that neat ???? No one bitches haha
![]() ![]() ![]() Gary, great point..... We just get up early before pontoon Charley wakes up.... Moj' |
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65 'cuda ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-12-2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Status: Offline Points: 1091 |
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Now I get it. The last sentence really makes me chuckle, I understand there can be a large difference in the experience generated by careful, courteous, wake boarders and the uneducated drivers out there who do not have a clue. The same can be said of any boat driver. However, the problem really is with perception. Its unfortunate that the name of the sport is "wake boarding" and not Ski boarding or such, and "wake surfing" is not called "boat surfing". To the pontoon crowd and fisherman on the lake, the act of severely overloading a boat to make the largest possible wake, then plowing down the lake at a speed that creates the largest peak, so someone can surf, is just crazy. I fully understand that grandpa in his 25' sea ray pulling the grand kids at 15 mph in the tube makes very large wakes as well, but the public does not see it as "purposely creating the biggest wake possible". Educated boaters are the key, this fight is just starting on our lake, and it will get worse before better. The risk with any widespread education project at our lake is: We would call more attention to the problem in the short term, risking bans. The education must take place one on one, boater to boater, creating a environment of courteous drivers, boarders, skiers, and surfers. Our watersports club is very active at the lake, hosting events that raise funds, we are always donating those funds to the causes at the lake, chapel, playground improvements, lions club, civic club, etc, etc... |
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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The problem is not the powerturn,its the people who come into a secluded occupied area and proceed to powerturn while your pulling a rider.Its rude,uncalled for and generally done by people that just don't understand how much there affecting the skier.Last real bad one I had actually waved and smiled at me because he just didn't know any better.I know that sounds crazy to some of you guys(wakeboarders complaining about wakes)but it is possible to be decent to others and own a wakeboat.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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We called them "bat turns" way before the "power turn" was used. I've mentioned it before that it didn't take long after the Batman TV series came out that someone said something like that turn looks like how Batman turns the Batmobile around in the Batcave!!! We still call them bat turns!! |
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Fl Inboards ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-20-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2082 |
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I thought a "Bat turn" was a "Rockford"!!!
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7952 |
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Pete, the terminology has evolved. The wakeboarders are right on the power turns. Skiers do them too, when they power around to pick someone up. What you call a power turn is now a "bat turn".
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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So the wakeboarders have got their terminology mixed up. I don't know what they would call it but the powerturn (spin) has been around since the 60's. That's certainly way before the advent of wakeboarding! |
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05 210 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February-17-2006 Location: Southern Maine Status: Offline Points: 1481 |
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Amongst wakeboarders,The "powerturn" is not the same as what you would consider a powerturn in a ski boat. Powerturns in ski boats is more like doing a spin on a PWC vs. powerturn in a wakeboat being like a turn you would make while towing a tube. Unless your rider is in immmediate danger there is no reason to do it.Slow down,idle boat around and return to rider.Most of the time the roller will turn the boat for you if done properly. I have seen wally skiers do this as well and if done in a ski boat the same way it would be done in a wakeboat, the end result is almost just as bad. Mike |
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SN206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-25-2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Status: Offline Points: 2339 |
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But would'nt that discourage competitive tubing? ![]() |
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65 'cuda ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-12-2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Status: Offline Points: 1091 |
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Thanks.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Power turn link for Ryan
I don't get it ether!! Everyone on Wakeworld want's the stickers but there's no reason stated why they want them???!!! As stated above, maybe the "powerturn" is different than the ones I'm thinking of. A high speed powerturn does not produce large wave/wakes like a ballasted boat does!! BTW, a sticker on a windshield isn't going to change non courteous attitudes!! If it did, I'd go non original and have LARGE ones made for the sides and transom of my boats that would state "NO TUBES" |
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storm34 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4492 |
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But thats the fun part! It's my second favorite past time...close behind chasing down jet ski's! |
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SN206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-25-2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Status: Offline Points: 2339 |
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Thanks for the explanation, I agree although it is fun from time to time, if I knew it caused a problem I never would just being a courteous boater. I could agree that just about any boat can have an effect on shoreline erosion. I have also been known to approach a wake boat or two when they have sent a wave over my bow.
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storm34 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4492 |
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Not going 35-40 and spinning the boat, but slowly banking the boat and churning up the water. On our fishbowl of a lake it gets pretty nasty. I guess more specifically the reasoning is to keep wakes down on the lake. Some members were trying to alienate wake boats because they made "5 foot tall waves." (2 of 5 mentioned "wake boats" were slalom boats w/towers and an x7 lol) Our process was to educate everyone on the fact that a bayliner can create more wake than wake boats if they plow water, which many members do. |
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SN206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-25-2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Status: Offline Points: 2339 |
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If a "powerturn" is what I have in mind, are the rollers any worse than a ballasted wake boat pulling a boarder?
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storm34 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4492 |
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We have a problem with boats powerturning and sending rollers down the lake. On a small lake it can really create problems on the water and on the shorelines.....Plus it's a waste of gas!
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65 'cuda ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-12-2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Status: Offline Points: 1091 |
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Why? Educate me.
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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Thought you guys might like this
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