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    Posted: August-30-2008 at 12:41am
Good to hear things have worked out for you Cory.

I miss Killeen. My daughter was stationed in Ft Hood and I was able to make the trip over to see here on multiple occasions. She is now in Hawaii and the motorhome nor bike will make that trip.

Enjoy the long holiday weekend.
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starter came in today! (friday) crazy last minute delivery right before i left work.

came home and got her bolted up. the flanges are thicker so id recomend getting 1/4" longer bolts, as the few threads that went in were feeling quite soft and ready to strip.
the wireing was simple and quick i had to put the starter cable on the belt sander as it wouldnt fit on the silinoid, other than that wired right up.

i hit the key, and i $hit you not the old girl fired FIRST piston up.
god i love this boat, she'll put you threw hell, but hearing that motor makes me smile ear to ear. still as im typing
i couldnt believe she started so quick after being spun backwards, flooded etc.

well im back on the water for the weekend. thanks billy for all your help.

heres some pics to help out folks in the future.
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Originally posted by STANG KILLA SS STANG KILLA SS wrote:

BILLY, got your voicemail, lol thats a fkn classic, wish i could post it haha.
yes i was refering to the flywheel rotation, not the harmonic balancer.

behindprop:
arco was $197
hind site is always 20/20.
i had no way to predict gettign the wrong starter, or the discontinued correct one.

heres ALL i knew on monday:

skidim: $264 and a week to get here.
napa wilson reman: $104 and next morning delivery.
which route would you have gone?


I have bought two items before when it was a situation like that.

Ill keep that in mind since I also have the same starter.


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BILLY, got your voicemail, lol thats a fkn classic, wish i could post it haha.
yes i was refering to the flywheel rotation, not the harmonic balancer.

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arco was $197
hind site is always 20/20.
i had no way to predict gettign the wrong starter, or the discontinued correct one.

heres ALL i knew on monday:

skidim: $264 and a week to get here.
napa wilson reman: $104 and next morning delivery.
which route would you have gone?
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So how much was the ARCO?

Seems like it would have made the most sense to go with skidim on monday.

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well thanks to billy (boat dr) and walt (arco)
ive got a arco 70201(actually a gm style conversion) starter on the way appears to the the only option now (other than the skidim one)
im right on the line for 2 day shipping so well see if it shows up friday in time for the weekend. since owning the boat ive only missed 1 weekend not being on the water.

billy, he wouldnt give me the boat dr discount, but at this point i didnt care.

wanted to thank everyone for there help
although im not getting my hopes up after that last starter, until i see this one spin that motor CW with my own eyes and fire it.
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Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

call Skidim and have them over night one to you. Question is how bad do you want to be boating this week-end????? then spend the money for the new one and call it a day.

The only RH Ford starter listed on SkiDIM's site is a reman'd unit for $265. Perhaps new ones are NLA?

Id keep looking for a local shop that can rebuild your old one.
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call Skidim and have them over night one to you. Question is how bad do you want to be boating this week-end????? then spend the money for the new one and call it a day.
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i called our local starter/alternator shop. he said they dont have any parts to redo a CCW starter. i think all the starter needs is a new bearing(or whatever that is) at the very end/tip of the drive.
although i think the gear might be frozen to the shaft too. i dont still have the old starter to confirm, but tonight i will.

boat dr just called me, hes tryin to work some magic with arco.
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Cory, Look for a rebuild shop in your area. They are listed under "auto - electric". They may be able to do the job of just putting in the parts needed - like the roller ramp clutch (sprag) and pinion gear. There isn't a rotation issue with the clutch. It's just the direction it's assembled.


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lol boat dr your a HOOT, half tech encyclopedia, half comedian.

well i got bad news. napa, and orielly confirmed that starter (sierra # 18-5904, wilson 91-02-5880) has been discontinued with no replacement.

talk about back at square one!
looks like i wont be on the water this labor day. cabin fever sucks.
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my problem was the bearing at the very end of the snout was gone.


ok update boat dr. got the starter

the good news: it bolts up and turns over the motor.

the bad news: the starter has 3 bolts holes, my motor has two. the hump and post are in the wrong spot, the hump actually rests on the stringer. and the biggy, its spinning the motor the wrong direction, the crank pulley is without a doubt spinning RH/CW, which means the flywheel is turning LH/CCW right?

on the starter the reman sticker says:
Wilson D6TF11001BA 12V 213

and stamped in the case, we can barely make out(only 90% sure on these)
its says:
AUTOLITE 12 USA
67AF-11001-B-9B4B

any ideas? should i go back and by the real one by that sierra #? (ie not this reman) or is there another number i should try? not only does it spin the wrong way but bolt pattern is wrong and hump and post are wrong.

thoughts? help?






OK UPDATE AGAIN!
just got off the phone with orielly, gave him the sierra # you gave me boat dr, and now those old two starters that showed up monday arent there and its showing a new Wilson Reman part # of 91-02-5880.....
the saga continues....
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Arco:


You can just buy the drive gear/bendix.
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Stang, also would recomend a new solenoid to go with that 100.00 starter.But do not buy a Chinese, try to find a top of the line product.This may be the reason your drive "Grenaded".
Do not be too proud to walk into a Ford dealership as they may have an OEM in stock.............Billy
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yeah i know, i ordered that before the CCW discovery. i cancled the order already.

took the seirra part # ya gave me, and headed to napa, on the way i decided to try o'reilly, gave them the part number, and they had it! even a cheaper remanuf. one as well. i got the refurb one for $104, be here at 8am, i cant thank you enough.
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Originally posted by STANG KILLA SS STANG KILLA SS wrote:


this is what i ordered.
"arco 70100
FITS: MANY 302, 351 FORDS
Nose extends 2 3/8”
into flywheel
12 Volt, CW rotation
Side battery terminal"



Stang if you order what you have said above , you have the wrong starter.You need a CCW Part #70201/ Not a 70100
Engine rotation of a Reverse Rotation Motor is CCW when veiwed from the front or Backwards to a normal car motor....Billy
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thats the exact part # i got too.
$197.95

how can a simple 2 bolt 1 wire starter be SUCH a huge pain in my ass lol. glad we got it figured out.
im gonna hit up napa tonight to see what they got, as he said he can have it here tommorrow, so i dont miss hitting the water this weekend.
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Stang , just got off the phone with Keith at Arco Marine.......
CCW side terminal starter for your motor is ..
Arco #70201........
The unit you ordered will bolt right up.BUT...Will spin the motor the wrong direction.........Boat dr..1-318-386-2825
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im so angry and confused lol. ive been on the phone for an hour. no one has a clue what im talking about, one place never heard of correct craft or ski nautique or pcm, and it was a marine parts shop online. this CW CCW RH LF crap has me pulling my hair out. plus the price differences between the arco ($129) and skidim/napa ($264) is alot which is why im trying to get the arca, but want to make sure its right.

this is what i ordered.
"arco 70100
FITS: MANY 302, 351 FORDS
Nose extends 2 3/8”
into flywheel
12 Volt, CW rotation
Side battery terminal"


ive got an arco starter in the boat now. every single starter on arcos site for a 351 list it as CW rotation.....
arco home page

when its called a RH motor, is that from the back, or front?


called arco themselves, guy actually new what he was talking about and gave a damn. i think im convinced that the CW i ordered is wrong.
he said there CCW starter(not on site) is a conversion to a new style with slyonoid and gear reduction like a gm unit, and requires some simple wireing to make work.

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Stang you need a CCW , regardless of what the 79 says with that line of BS it would confuse anybody.
Sierra part number is 18-5904, NAPA can order under that part #, ans it is a reman unit for reverse rotation Ford motors......................Boat dr
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crap well i just ordered the arco one from pse.
its listed under mercruiser. i wonder if mercruisers are opposite rotate than my PCM?
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don't know which arco one you where refering don't believe you understand correctly what you need is a start for a reverse rotation motor application CCW and CW on the cranking motor, the way it is spelled out in the arco I take that as a CW engine which would be a CCW cranking motor and not what you want.
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ok so there both what i need/correct right? on the phone with pse/arco right now
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the skidim one is correct the other is refering to engine rotation car LH early CC's RH
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hmm look here (CW)
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and here (RH)
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maybe the motor and starter spin opposite directions right? maybe there refering to starter vs the motor rotation or vis versa?

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CCW reverse rotation is what you need.
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o ok im an idiot, didnt even cross my mind to list the MOTOR manuf., more questions added above...
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Originally posted by STANG KILLA SS STANG KILLA SS wrote:

just called napa, they dont list ski nautique, or correct craft in there marine book. he said if i had a number off the origonal he couild look that up, but mines a reman arco starter :(, so he said my only choice was to bring it in, and try to match it up manually by looks


you need to look under pleasure craft marine, or crusauder,
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