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Riley
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Posted: January-22-2009 at 12:26pm |
I've spent a fair amount of time on that web site and while it looks pretty cool to hop one of those engines up, if you start checking out what the stuff costs you'll find it's pretty rediculous. It's a lot more than building a Ford or Chevey V8.
If I needed a rebuild, I would check to see if I could get a remanufactured 200CI six short block. I think all of the parts from your engine would fit. I think it would need 3/4" or an inch more clearence. Check his prices, I think he gets $3,500 for an aluminum head. There's a pretty limited market for that hipo six banger stuff. The book's probably worth getting. I'm sure there's good info in it and it is interesting. |
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Terp
Senior Member Joined: November-12-2008 Location: Deep Creek Lake Status: Offline Points: 339 |
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Bruce since you mentioned this guy's website, any thoughts on the book he's selling? Ford Six Book
Any thoughts from anyone regarding good texts to read prior to rebuilding and modifying the Ford Six? Though I plan to keep the boat itself as original as possible I would like to modify and upgrade the motor as much as possible, while maintainng roughly the same profile so as to keep the doghouse original. So no turbos or superchargers! |
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Terp
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Yeah, somehow I managed to misread the auction end date. I was pretty PO'ed this AM.
The layout of the old screw holes on my bow match the layout on that light so I'm 99.9% sure it's the right one. |
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Riley
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SOB on that bow light. What a deal. I believe it is the correct one for your boat. It is what is on our Mustang and Classic and what was on the Atom we were hoping to buy a few months ago. The last one I saw like that on ebay went for $85+-.
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Terp
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Bruce, thanks for the head's up. I think, after looking quite a bit at other Atoms, that the wheel I'm most interested in having and is most likely to have been stock on mine is this one:
Wheel Now, the one I think would like pretty cool is this one:Non-stock wheel but I'm not prepared for the barage of abuse I would receive if I did that to my boat! Just kidding. I think I've also found the proper bow light.. Bow Light but I missed the auction. So if you see a light like this one, please let me know. I appreciate you keeping me in mind when it comes to parts. I think the items I am going to have the greatest trouble finding are the badging and the step plates w/ proper inserts. Did someone else here find a place that could duplicate the "Correct Craft" rubber step plate inserts and/or the chrome "Correct Craft" badging? Pete, sorry but I missed your response prior to Bruce's. Yeah, I'm a bit disappointed about them having no record of the boat. I asked them to double check and see if they even had any numbers close to mine. I heard back from them yesterday evening confirming they had nothing on record. In some ways this is helpful. Having "no record of said hull #" in writing from Correct Craft may support my claim to abandoned title. I did want to confirm the model year but oh well. I'll register it as a '64 since it's my wife's birth year. Thanks for the heads up on the transmission fluid! |
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Riley
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Terp, was it you that was looking for a steering wheel?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OLD-BOAT-STEERING-WHEEL-CENTURY-THOMPSON-LYMAN-OUTBOARD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ280099045505QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear |
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Riley
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The made the 170 all during the same time as the 144. I don't know what the 6015-A means, but I think the C1DE means you have a 1961 170.
My engine is a 1964 and the boat is a 1966. I guess your boat is a 62-64? |
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Terp
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Thanks Bruce, good link. Going by his list it looks like it's probably a 144. Particularly if the boat is in fact a '65 or older. My block casting number (CIDE -6015-A) isn't on his list but if they did them sequentially in an orderly fashion it looks like it would have fallen in the 1960-64 range, making it a 144. If you go by his list they didn't make the 170ci until '70-'74. Is that a typo? Thanks again.
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Riley
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Somewhere on this web site is a chart that will explain what the engine block codes are. I found them for mine.
http://www.fordsix.com/shop.php Years Size Block 60-64 144ci ???? ???? ???? 60-64 170ci C0DE-C4DE ???? ???? |
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8122pbrainard
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John,
I "A" on the serial # identifies the boat as a Atom. Don't worry about CC not having any records but you already know that. I do believe you do have a Interceptor. It's ether the 85hp - 144ci or the 100hp - 170ci. My Interceptor manual doesn't list the 6 cyl. codes for the engine model# but maybe someone elses may. Bruce does yours? You have a Paragon trans on it. They are very reliable and rarely need work except for a clutch disk adjustment. BTW, drian the engine oil if you pull the trans otherwise yo'll have a mess! The trans is lubed with engine oil and when you pull the trans, you'll find it open to the engine oil pan! |
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Terp
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OK Pete, maybe you can help here...
I called CC in Orlando and they cannot find any record of the Atom in their books. Which isn't such a bad thing as I am going to claim and register the boat as abandoned. But I did want to try to nail down the model year and I was also hoping they could get me some info on the motor (CID, etc. etc) before I begin to overhaul it. I presume it isn't an Interceptor as the valve cover is not stamped as such. So far I haven't found any numbers on the tranny either, though I haven't pulled it yet. Can you decipher anything from the plate pictured below? If the numbers are hard to read, they are.... Hull # A444 Engine # H81R 04366 |
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SNobsessed
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Terp - You might want to tear the engine down earlier (take lots of photos so you can remember how it goes back together) as you may have to hunt down replacement parts, could take awhile.
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Terp
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Anything else obviously missing, besides those parts I already mentioned?
I'm looking at this as a 3 part restoration..... trailer, boat, motor. My thought was to pull the motor and get it on the stand. (Any special issues or recommendations for this process. remember this is my first.) Then lift the boat and get the trailer out. Modify and "restore" the trailer so that I then have a reliable and legal trailer with which I can move the boat as needed. (I may have to take it to a shop about 250 miles away for help re-skinning it.) Then restore the boat. Then tear down and rebuild the engine. Recommendations, thoughts, etc. are appreciated as usual! |
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8122pbrainard
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John,
Well, you have you work ahead of you!! The U tube picture marked "what is this" inside the hull and the picture on the outside marked "bilge drain" is the suction/siphon bailer. Water flowing over the bottom hull port (a venturi) creates a negative pressure and starts the suction. It's very common in old boats before the electric bilge pump BUT, known to get plugged and reverse siphon sinking the boats when moored!! There's a small vent hole on top of the U that must be kept open/clean. If you ever plan on leaving the boat sitting in the water not on a lift or hanging, I suggest disabling it. Plug up the through hull port by jamming a rubber stopper in it or at the base of the U tube where it attaches to the port. The other picture marked "what is this" is the hull port strainer for the engine cooling water. |
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p/allen
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Terp Looks like you have yourself a nice project . It all looks like my 59 atom except the engine .
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Terp
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Rather than put every image up on the forum I just created an album with the link below. If you guys don't mind making comments about what you do or don't see I sure would appreciate it.
I'm definitely missing the stock steering wheel, bow light and step plates. Something is missing from the observer's side dash and there is no badging anywhere. Photobucket Album '64 Atom |
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FINS
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Congratulation! Once you settle it in, lets hear a list of items needed so we can keep our eyes open. Your pictures bring back memories of picking up my Atom. My Dad and I drove from Seattle to Southern California and back in two days. We still laugh about the crazy things we do for boats.
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86BFN
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Glad you made it home with no problems! Looks like a great project! nice fifth wheel too!
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Terp
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The '64 Atom officially has a new home. Got home early this AM. No problems hauling. Sorry for the crappy photo. We were just trying to stay ahead of the foul weather and the camera battery was giving me grief (had a new one on order but of course it hadn't arrived in time for the trip.) So she's home now. Just parked her in the barn, haven't even taken her off the flatbed yet, to damn tired. I'll start getting some detailed photos in a day or two. We're missing a fair bit of hardware. What is there appears in good shape though. The skin is completely shot, deck to hull. Trailer is in real solid shape. Just needs some minor work and a few alterations I think. More later guys, the wife beckons.... for chores unfortunately!
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8122pbrainard
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Terp
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Thanks Brian, I thought it looked like yours, just couldn't be sure. I sent the seller a couple of questions right before it expired so hopefully they'll get the hint and re-post it.
What is the T-handle to the left of your steering wheel? It looks a lot like the pull starter on our '56 Cessna. |
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FINS
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Here are some shots of the dash in both my boats. I think the crusty one on my '59 is the same wheel just covered in 25 years of dirt and dust.
Does anyone know if the gear selector changed around this time? My '59 has the "johnson" bar type floor mount shifter while the '60 has a column mounted selector. Someone added the Morse hand trottle on the '60, but the mount for the foot pedal is still there. Fun to see the differences in the boats and wonder if it was a factory item, or someones fix at some point. |
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FINS
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That is the same wheel that is on my '60. on the top and bottom of mine is a clear epoxy looking material with glitter in it. You can see the metal hoop of the wheel in the center. I will get some better pictures of my dash and wheel when it gets a little lighter outside.
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8122pbrainard
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John,
It was typical to use surplus automotive wheels. Whatever was available, inexpensive, looked cool and in a fairly decent quantity. It wouldn't surprise me that all the early 60's Atoms were the same. All wheels since the early 20's have a 3/4" taper bore. The center cap may be a problem finding. If you find another wheel without the cap, you may consider making one. Turning a piece of aluminum with a convex face and then buffing it up is a option. |
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jbear
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Hows the outside work goin' this week Gary?
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Gary S
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Well it wasn't from going too fast,it had a 4cyl Graymarine.As the summer wore on the algae got thicker and pretty soon no more skiing until it was cleaned. It was a neat little boat just like your Atom will be.That 2nd year at Green Lake,Pete's Atom surprised me on how well it went in the rough water,I thought he would have a hard time keeping up,was I ever wrong. That video was taken in the mid '80's on one of those 1st JVC video cameras and then transfered to dvd so time has not been kind.The only still pic is below under 68 mustang ss, it's in the background,but anyway that wheel looks how I remember it. |
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Terp
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Yeah, Brian's was probably the best pic I could find and I was fairly convinced they were one and the same. But Brian's is a '60, and mine is a '64. Were you aware of a switch from one style to another during the interim?
Gary, blurry from beer or just cause you were going so damn fast! |
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Gary S
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I'm not sure but that wheel seems like the one in that '64 American Skier I had. Sadly I have no pictures of that boat,only a very blurry video.
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Terp
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Think I should grab it and worry about the center cap later? Are the center caps tough to find?
Edit: I let it go for now. Hate to spend $120 just to find out it won't fit. I sent a few questions about measurements to the seller. No one else bid on it so it'll probably pop back up. Is there anywhere else in particular to find original wheels for the older CCs? |
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8122pbrainard
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John,
They used wheels of all kinds!! Looks damn close to me. If it was on a early 60's Atom I don't feel anyone would know if it wasn't the exact original wheel. Brian, What do you think? |
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