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8122pbrainard 
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 Topic: Velvet Drive...Not so Velvety...Posted: July-26-2019 at 9:04pm |
Alignment/centering IF the shoulder bolts Ken mentioned are not used. I too have always questioned the practice since the center splined hub in the damper plate really isn't precisely centered since it's held there by springs. |
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robdubbleu
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Posted: July-26-2019 at 8:45pm |
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Thanks KENO! What's the motivation to do it through the starter hole in the first place?
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1976 Ski Nautique (PCM 351) - Currently under major renovation: floor, carpet, interior, gel coat, engine overhaul - ALMOST DONE!
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KENO
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Posted: July-26-2019 at 5:48pm |
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let's just say that if you tighten it down with the shoulder bolts that were used on the original damper before you install the bellhousing, I doubt you'll have any problems at all
If you want to make life more difficult and have more chance of screwing things up, then do it through the starter hole. If you really want to tighten them after the bellhousing is on, drill a hole in the right location in the bellhousing so you can work through that hole |
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robdubbleu
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Posted: July-26-2019 at 4:40pm |
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Pardon my ignorance, folks, but why does the damper plate need to be tightened through the starter hole after mounting the bellhousing? I'm about to replace my damper plate (engine and trans are out of the boat and disconnected from one another), and need to make sure I have a perfect understanding of the procedure before I do it.
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1976 Ski Nautique (PCM 351) - Currently under major renovation: floor, carpet, interior, gel coat, engine overhaul - ALMOST DONE!
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: November-04-2011 at 8:51am |
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I found the picture of the "high end" radiator drain - it was on my compute here at work! They are available at McMaster, Merc used them on their engines.
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Posted: November-04-2011 at 3:26am |
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Pete,
That's O.K. I'm shut down now anyway. See you next season. We'll talk then. |
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MI-nick
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Posted: November-03-2011 at 10:14pm |
is this a question for me?? |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: November-03-2011 at 10:02pm |
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Egon,
I have to forgive myself for not remembering that I was supposed to stop by your house on the labor day weekend and take a look and your boat lift issue!  Too many things came up and I'm sorry, I flat out forgot!
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: November-03-2011 at 9:43pm |
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Egon,
 You have all this time on your hands being retired and you haven't been utilizing it! 
I've posted it before but, the picture must be on the computer at work but it's a high end "radiator drain" with a removable stem, so, you can remove the complete center stem and probe for junk with a wire. I have replaced ALL of my drain points with them on ALL of my engines. They are available through McMaster. |
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Posted: November-03-2011 at 8:48pm |
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What did you replace your pipe plugs with on the manifolds? I still have the the original plugs and they are a nuisance.
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MI-nick
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Posted: April-17-2009 at 11:37am |
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Final update. Had a chance to take an extended test drive on wednesday and got out wakeboarding for the first time last night. Everything is velvety smooth again. No more leaky valve covers and the 542 pulls HARD. I'm ready for summer.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and encouragement. Boat at is summer resting place. 
Emily was pleased with the results. 
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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eric lavine
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Posted: April-10-2009 at 1:11pm |
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you've learned well young Luke
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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BuffaloBFN
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Posted: April-10-2009 at 12:54pm |
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Looks great, you even have a carpet saving board in use!
My guess is you'll be surprised at how smooth and quiet it runs. 
You also solved a small problem for me. Now I know why my old floor piece had two brass lined holes in it...to pin the doghouse hinges! One more on my list to ask Woody about. 
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MI-nick
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Posted: April-10-2009 at 12:45pm |
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any day now. boat is done, dock is in, lift is in...
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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Posted: April-10-2009 at 12:40pm |
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Looking good Nick... Now just need to get her wet.
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1980 Ski Nautique
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Posted: April-10-2009 at 12:28pm |
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I got everything installed and aligned last weekend. here are some photos...cause I know you guys love photos...
New damper plate. 3 bolts OK per eric...right?? 
Trans installed. Notice the new paint job and the red letters...I don't know why than impresses me so much... 
Tighten damper plate bolts through starter hole. I got them as tight as possible...still makes me a little nervous..but, I'm a worrier.. 
I used this 3/8" drive craftsman swivel head ratchet. It worked quite well. 
Aligned. Largest gap was .002. had to raise the front mounts about 1 turn and nudge the aft end to port with a giant crow bar. i was pretty happy with the results. prop turns easily all the way around with 1 finger using light pressure. 
Everything back together. 
I also replaced the valve cover gaskets but didn't take any photos of that. After that I installed an Acme 542 using pete's recommended procedure. Sadly, my homemade prop puller failed. It was not aligned correctly and failed at the weld b/w the nut and the puller body. I "borrowed" an Ironman puller from the local CC dealer and that one worked quite well. Next one I make will be the pete/eric style. I think I figured out a way to make one with my limited resources. Shaft before. 
Shaft and prop bore after a few rounds of lapping. 
Old 13X13 Federal vs. new Acme 542...big difference. 
Done. 
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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eric lavine
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Posted: March-31-2009 at 10:28am |
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one thing that comes with MA in the trans is the output shaft will cock and that in turn will cock the input shaft and will cause the inner pump gear to dig into the front cover on one side, this is where i keep things economical, 99.9% of rebuilders will replace the front cover at $350.00, I face them on my lathe...i thought that was noteworthy, and it deciphers rebuiding and parts replacing, I cut about 75% of the front covers and they often get overlooked in the normal rebuild down at Norms garage
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MI-nick
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Posted: March-31-2009 at 10:11am |
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I checked out the cutlass last night and it looked good. no shaft looseness/movement, no strange wear. I checked the flywheel teeth when i removed the damper (which i took to your shop) and they all looked good, but i'll check again.
I'll check out the coupling next time i'm in the boat. if that looks good, I won't be pulling the shaft. regarding the cooler plumbing, the strainer is mounted in between the the oil cooler and the other hose you see in the 4th picture. water comes in through the hull, throught the strainer, and through the trans oil cooler. |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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eric lavine
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Posted: March-29-2009 at 4:13pm |
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Sorry, i missed you yesterday, but you left it in good hands. you really should also loosen the coupling half lock nuts and make sure the coupling hasnt worked on the shaft and loosened up, thats pretty common with Mis-alignment. I also take a skim cut on the transmission output coupling to true it up and remove any knicks on it, probably the only one that does
Im trying to understand your cooler plumbing from your pic, remember on any type of heat exchanger (cooler) the oil flow needs to be opposite of water flow, it is more efficient on the heat transfer. the 90 degree fitting on the very top of the trans is oil to cooler which should dead head into the water flow. I would imagine that you also brought the damper plate. check all of your teeth on the flywheel ring gear while its apart. check the strut bushing also and if you do pull the shaft have it dial indicated for runout. im having you check all this stuff because of the MA, even though it should be checked anyways, but with the .040 i would imagine some other parts may be worn |
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Posted: March-29-2009 at 2:17pm |
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Got the transmission removed this weekend and it is now in the hands of Fantastic Finish.
Here are some photos of the removal. Alignment was not so good. .040 out at 12 o'clock. 
Jacked up using the jack out of my Tacoma. It worked quite well. 
Blocked up on the other side. I couldn't find a way to fit a 4X4 in there...2X4 should be OK for a week... 
Jacked up and ready to remove. 
Transmission removed. Others have recomended removing the trans and bellhousing together but, it seemed easier to me to do it one at a time. 
Bellhousing removed. Damper plate came off after that. 
After all that I made some new dock sections and put a coat of stain on them. 
Hopefully everthing will go back together as smoothly as it came apart. We'll see about that next week. |
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Posted: March-23-2009 at 3:30pm |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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Posted: March-23-2009 at 2:05am |
Not me...I never got to view it either... john |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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eric lavine
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Posted: March-22-2009 at 7:48pm |
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no, that guy from Florida crashed it
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Posted: March-22-2009 at 7:45pm |
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Posted: March-17-2009 at 11:33am |
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i'll give you a call this weekend.
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eric lavine
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Posted: March-17-2009 at 10:27am |
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sounds good to me call and confirm 877-369-6693
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Posted: March-16-2009 at 3:17pm |
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eric,
i've decided i want to have the trans rebuilt. is it feasible for me to drive it down to your shop next weekend (3/27 or 3/28) and pick it up the following weekend (4/3 or 4/4)?? |
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Posted: January-21-2009 at 5:23pm |
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its hard sometimes to keep things family oriented, but GD! I keep going back, im seeing double
yeah yeah nice boat Steve |
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Posted: January-21-2009 at 4:13pm |
Off topic!!! Are you freakin' kiddin' me?????? That's awesome!!!!!! |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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Posted: January-21-2009 at 10:17am |
Oh Yea! thanks Nick. that should do it right Eric!
Next question..... I really should visit other sites besides this on once in a while..... NA (can't wait till jbear see this )
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