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ripster92
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Yep... That's the good part about this site?!?! J/K of course... |
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1992 SN Black w/ Yellow
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Cslaten33
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JoeinNY: Thanks for the advise. I really apreciate it.
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JoeinNY
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Yes Clark some are the type where original is the only correct way and there is nothing wrong with that, probably the best route for anyone who is looking to sell thier boat someday. Some of us, get a little more out there. Somethings are pretty universal like the fact that correctcrafts with very few exceptions should turn right hand props. I have screwed that up unknowingly myself. Fuel injection vs carb.. well for performance only it is a tough sell.. but there is a throttle body injected chrysler around that scoots along pretty good. Of course there are a bunch carbed boats that dont do too bad either. If it is something you have to have dont be discouraged, but if your simply looking or a really quick responding good running boat, then yep thats probably cheaper and more easily achieved with a carb. I am going to launch into a rebuild and upgrade of a fuel injected boat this year, I could just drop a known setup in using parts I already own and I probably would if this was my only boat but since it's a hobby for me I will see what it takes to upgrade the EFI system. At the end of the day its your boat and you can do whatever you want with it, the beauty of this site is if what you say your are going to do wont get you to what you say you want or if there is an easier way noone will be afraid to let you know.
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Gary S
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Nothing wrong with thinking about new ideas,but if the Boat Doctor, JoeinNY,or TRBenj or ReidP haven't done it,you either don't need it or it don't work |
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hotboat
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8122pbrainard
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By doing a search but since it seems you haven't been using the feature for any other issues, here's some help: injection thread |
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Cslaten33
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Where can I find threads where people have tried to make the switch from carb. the fuel injected?
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Thanks Clark Slaten
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TRBenj
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...and while EFI will make your boat start nicer (especially cold) it will do little, if anything, for your throttle response. Replacing a simple, cheap system (carb) with an expensive, complex one (EFI) will gain you no performance benefit, either. You might just want to learn to tune what you have before throwing money at a problem!
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8122pbrainard
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Clark,
Yes you can do any upgrades you want. It is your boat as stated but converting to fuel injection can be tricky. Some have tried, failed and went back to a carb. |
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Cslaten33
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Thats what I thought. It seems that some of my ideas catch alot of flack from several people on here for the newer style of upgrades.
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hotboat
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boats are about what the owner likes and wants, if you sell it then the next person can make their own call. Until then make yourself happy
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Brian
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Cslaten33
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Well When I have to boat apart I would like to upgrade as much as possible. Do you guys not like upgrading things? Or do you guys just really like things back to original as much as possible?
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8122pbrainard
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Clark, You've never mentioned you were building a ice breaker!! I thought you were going to restore the boat?? |
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Cslaten33
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better throtle responce in colder weather.
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storm34
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I'm sure someone else will chime in about the fuel injection, but what is your purpose for switching from a carb?
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Cslaten33
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I think I will just send that engine back and get the right one. Since they did ship me the wrong engine to start with? What do you guys think? while I'm at it I will go ahead and price a fuel injected engine to.
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hotboat
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and pistons backards
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Brian
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SNobsessed
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Wouldn't it be better to just convert the new long block to RH rotation? That would just be changing the cam, which he already has?
Maybe the crank seal too? |
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PAPA
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Clark, If I am assuming correctly,you have purchased a LH 351 long block and your original engine was a RH reverse rotation engine. If this is the case you would need to change the starter to a LH standard rotation starter. You would have to change the prop to a LH prop. You would need to reindex your transmission pump 180 degrees to flow properly and also turn your RWP around to flow the opposite way.The distributor would also have to be changed to a LH. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything else but there might be more to do. This can all be done easily but are you sure you want to do it.
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Guys if the new engine wasn't the same rotation what would I have to do to make everything work?????????
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Cslaten33
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How do you guys know about all of this???
The company that I bought my cam from, do you guys think they will take it back for exchange since it is still in the plastic wrap and box?? |
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TRBenj
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Correct- the intention of the grinding is to lessen the effect of the hook, or eliminate it completely. |
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SNobsessed
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Tim - Just curious - what do they grind on the hull? Do they take the hook out? |
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Gary S
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Maybe I'M heavier ???
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TRBenj
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Gary, those numbers are underperforming for sure. If I didnt know that you had removed all your foam, Id say you were carrying some extra weight! Something is definitely going on there...
Marshall's boat definitely rides bow high. I dont believe its ever been ground- if it has, it was minimal. I believe Reid's baby blue ran more bow-low initially, and it took a lot of grinding to even them up. |
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No hurry Alan,just sitting here dreaming,since we broke the back of winter
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Gary S
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Here's one I found with a little more speed,but still looks to me, bow down.
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81nautique
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Gary I'll try to set up a run on your motor, give a day or so as I have to do it on my work computer.
Marshalls boat rides beatifully in that picture, Thats what we all shoot for but few of us get it. You'ld have to ask Reid if they ever took the grinder to it You'ld be amazed at the punny little cam in that boat but it's running some major compression, I believe close to 11:1 IIRC. Another Pinkham Penninsula freak. |
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81nautique
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Tim getting back to the cam, there's a module of desktop dyno called Pro Iterator and what it does is take the engine you enter in the system and run test simulations on it based on user input. For instance, I ran a sim of Clarks engine as it sits now with the stock heads, his comp cam and a basic dual plane intake. The program takes his cam lift and then runs simualtions using differentcam event timing and tries to define better specs for torque, HP, torque or HP under the curve.
When I ran Clarks motor the program came up with 11,300 different interations and it found him 29.5 hp using teh same lift on his comp cam but spec'ing new timing events. Only problem I have with it is it's an advanced feature that I have to buy and add on so it lets me use it and shows what I could achieve but won't give me the specs to get there without buying the upgrade. I also ran yours and it only found 3.2 HP so again cam research is pretty darn close on these things. I'll buy the upgrade soon because it could be interesting and you know if I wasn't working on teh Hurricane the "other" tool box would be out. With my heads, I find I am really under cammed. Came up with about 16 hp (396 at 5600rpm)and stretched the torque out further to the right. I know this is all speculating but it is fun. |
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Gary S
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I hope Clark doesn't mind my hijacking,but I thought it would help him too. Tim, I'm running a Holley 450cfm carb on a Holley Contender dual plane manifold with stock rocker arms.The Federal runs @ 4200 and the OJ @ 4300. With my old prop, 12x13 and old heads it would run 5k but it was 3mph slower. Here is the cam card-
One other thing is this and I'm not really sure you can compare the two because of throttle settings and load,is Marshalls seems to ride further back than mine,what do you think? See what you get mixed up with Clark ?,it's addicting, and now I'm driving to Florida next month to get a fix |
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