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    Posted: February-06-2011 at 1:23pm
pmccook1 - there are bunches of foilers in Georgia, depending on where you are in the state you could easily get hooked up with a ride. I know of some on Lake Lanier, I'm on Allatoona (know of a couple others on Allatoona too), some in Villa Rica, group on Lake Oconee.

As TxFoilhead suggested, getting on foilforum.com can assist you in getting in touch with riders no matter where you are.


Originally posted by pmccook1 pmccook1 wrote:


I don't know of anyone in GA that has a foil to try out. But I'd sure like to try it before I buy it. a used one of course
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Runnig a wing into the ground where Ryan had mentioned it was shallow - $0 and a few hours worth of work.

Slicing open the wrist seal on my drysuit while checking on that wing. - $50 and another few hours worth of work.

Listening to excuses about how much foils cost and how they will beat you to death, and then seeing the same barefooters take a few pulls and falls. - pricless

We're still laughing at all the excuses we heard, the conditions were amazing after the rain stopped on Friday and while the foilers tried our best the mess up the water, I still had a few inverts where I was having a hard time spoting my landings because it was too smooth. Ryan and James were able to foot in the middle of the afternoon on a Saturday. We'll get all you coverted over one of these days, you can even keep using your barefoot suits for protection.    

Ryan, thanks for hauling us around all day Saturday, were trying to figure out how to make it up for the Reunion next month, hope we can rearange the scheduals.     
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HOLY RESIZING ISSUES BATMAN! Just wanted to let everyone know that we had a great time with Don, his wife and the other foilers. For those who don't know there is alot of fun involved with this discipline of skiing, Had a great time! Thanks again Don!
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Don call me when you get a chance.
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In case someone is watching this instead of the tornado thread, we are at Laake murray this weekend, looks like we will be dodging rain, but have the place to ourselves so come on out.

For anyone looking for a foil I have seen a couple list on foilforum in the past week.
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It's a spring fed lake, so it stays a little cooler in the summer.
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I won't tell anybody but is an awesome lake. I am going back when it gets really hot down here.
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Anthony, just don't tell anymore Texans about the lake, it's an Okie secret!
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    Lake Murray is great. The water was very clear, I was impressed. The water temperature is very comfortable but a bit chill. During the day it warmed up very nicely. I was not able to do a hole lot. It was really windy the whole weekend, white caps everywhere. It think it was a sustained 18+mph wind. You were right about the park rangers around the park, two of my friends got speeding tickets. The floating cabins my friends stayed at were awesome. We camped at Tipps Point, nice place. The Marietta Landing camp ground looked a lot better. We wanted to be close to the cabins, so we stayed at Tipps. It rained on Sunday morning. I look forward to go back. I won't be able to make it next weekend.
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I talked to James the other night, looks like we will have a large group if everyone makes it, somewhere between 30 and 40. Weather doesn't look like it is going to be the best, but not as bad as today was, and no 50s during theday like last year. Fortunately we are all flexible and don't mind drinking and tellin lies, I mean stories when we can't get in the water.    
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Well, after tonights storms there is no question the lake will be up for you guys if not at capacity. Water temp is 77. I'm still trying to make it. Anthony was up there this last weekend, but have yet to here how the weekend went.
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Yep, looks like about 15 or 20 people and we've got 3 or 4 new wings to play with that are new to the market. Most people will be getting up there by lunch time or so on Friday, some Thursday night. Give me a call so I can get your friends info and I will fill him in on the details and tell him how to get ahold of us when he gets there.    
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Originally posted by TX Foilhead TX Foilhead wrote:

It's the weekend after Mothers Day. We ride Friday after lunch until about noon on Sunday. Most likely we'll be in a friends Xstar and camping in the field at Buzzards Roost. Tell him to check over on Foil Forums for more info, we'll start posting details in about a month. Last year we had about 20 foilers and 5 or 6 boats, should be a few more this year.


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Thanks for your input, I wouldn't have thought there would be that much difference.   now to hunt down a skyski I can afford.
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The Air Chairs are just not as stable, I have seen people who can ride them well, but there aren't many. It may not seem or feel any direrent at first, but as you learn to do things the lack of control will slow or stop your progression. There are no natural hydrofoilers, riding with people who know what they are doing is a big help and can push you to learn things faster, but everyone still goes through the same falls as they progress. The newer equipment has allowed people to go higher at slower speeds which saves wear and tear on your body.

The reason that everything is polished is because it rides better that way. They become draggy and less responsive as they tarnish. The annodizing is a trade off, it doesn't feel quite as good as the polished, but they are consistant and save time. It is really about the edges of the wings and how they respond to the water. Just like skiers have slow and fast lakes, hydrofoils ride differently in clear or cloudy water and also behave diferently as the water warms and cools. The annodizing dulls the edges of. The wing slightly because it makes it thicker.

All of that won't really make much of a difference to you until you get onto the upper end equipment, but it is good to have your gear working as good as you can get it.    
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What exactly is the difference in the sky and Air foils ?    They seem to look exactly the same to me in the pic's. The air chair comes with 3 wings.   I found a air chair not to far from me for a fair price. its a 2008 model.   Should I go look at it or keep looking for a skyski ?

   And why do they need such a polished surface ?
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Sky Ski foils are superior to Air Chair foils with one exception. Geno was having some foils made the last 2 or 3 years that were his design and he sold them direct. They were made by Sky Ski and would mostl likely be in the $3000 range if you found one. Now that he is riding for Sky Ski he has an official Pro Model that is slightly different from the normal LE 38. Sky Ski started making billet foils for the whole line up in 2003 I think and those are supireor in strength and ride better than most of the early cast foils. The nice thing about starting on the Sky Ski billet stuff is that it is all standardized. This allows you to upgrade parts, all front wings work with all TBars as do all seat towers. The moveable rear wings can be adapted to work on all TBars with either an adapter plate or some cutting and drilling for those who are handy.   The best part about billet equipment is that it can be annodized so if you ride in less than pristine water you don't have to polish stuff all the time.   I seem to get about a months worth of rides before I need to polish my wings and once I make up mi mind what color I want they will be annoed.   
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So you saying if I can find any year model skyski it will be a good one ?
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Originally posted by pmccook1 pmccook1 wrote:

Swatkinz,

   How bad are the spills from riding high and doing a face plant ?
   How does it feel when you hit the water with it buckled on your waist?   



I didn't do much face planting. Not that I'm good or a natural, I just took it real easy. I am a working dad and can't afford to get hurt having fun. I agree with foilhead that the faceplants probably aren't much worse than a bad wakeboard fall, but I've had some pretty tough falls on a wakeboard. I think just the thought that doing a faceplant when your strapped to the extreme end of that catapult probably is more mentally intimidating than anything else.   

As far as falls being buckled in...again I took it pretty easy and had no bad, scary falls. Certainly nothing that hurt b/c of the straps. The thing that would be concerning though is if either your feet somehow got unstrapped or your waist got unstrapped. I'd think that you could really injure yourself IF that happened, but those straps have you buckled in pretty good. That concern wouldn't keep me from riding the heck out of one if I had it at my disposal.

I have a buddy with a pontoon that always anchors up with us that wants to go in on one with a couple of other friends. That wouldn't be a bad thing as it'd offset the cost and we could keep it on his pontoon while we aren't using it. Going in splitting the cost, I'd probably put in $300, but would have trouble paying more than that. If we decide to do that, I'll let you know and maybe you could come do a day trip over here and give it a try since you're in Georgia
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If you learned to get up on it quickly, that's great. We have found that people who slalom a lot seem to have the most difficulty. They want to tug and push and pull on things and it really just requires that you sit still and follow the boat.

The next major lesson is to not push on your feet, it's a natural reaction to avoid danger but on the foil it causes it. That lesson is learned fairly quickly and the worst of the crashes are done until you start to jump.

If you have learned the safety position (arms out, bend forward at the waist to set the board on the water) well then jumping shouldn't cause you much if any pain. Try to take everything bacerds and you will avoid the faceplants.

Speaking of the faceplants, they will get your attention, but really it is just the same old slap on the water and getting water in your nose and eyelids that seem to happen from learning anything new behind a boat.     I have taken similar falls on skis, wakeboards, kneeboards and tubes. With the foils you can slow the boat down below 20 and minimize the impacts while your learning. I think the record for the slowest roll is 7 or 8 mph.

They do take up a bit of room in the boat, but we found that the are be hind the driver in a direct drive is usually unused, the other side of the motor works for the next one, and there is room for 2 more in the back with the seat removed. In my Excel I have had 6 with 6 riders.

As for the cost, anyone can ride any foil, and most tricks have been done on all variations of the the Sky Skis. The more expensive foils are lighter, smoother, and more responsive, but require no special skills to ride. If get into it you will end up with the high end equipment so purchase all you can afford and upgrade the rest as you can.

That's about all the rambling I have tonight, but for anyone interested in foiling go over to Foilforums.com and have a look around, we have just about all the info you could ever want on hydrofoiling.
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Swatkinz,

   How bad are the spills from riding high and doing a face plant ?
   How does it feel when you hit the water with it buckled on your waist?   

    I was thinking about a foil or a wakekite. But after watching the video of the does and don'ts of the wakekite, i'm leaning more toward the foil.   I know its big, but look how big the kite would be lugging it around all day.   I'm like you, I don't like to be tied to the dock.
I don't know of anyone in GA that has a foil to try out. But I'd sure like to try it before I buy it. a used one of course
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Had a chance to try the skyski this weekend thanks to a pull and some tips by JoeinNY at White Lake. It's definitely unlike anything I've ever been on. Ever. To paraphrase Joe, "Very subtle changes in rope/body position have dramatic effects on your success and/or failures."   Having said that, it was a lot of fun and I'd like to have one. Took me a couple of tries to get up and then a few more to figure out how to keep it down. Most other water toys seem to be challenging to figure out how to get up. This one, for me at least, was more challenging to figure out how to keep it from riding up high on that foil, which for a beginner is the very first part of an incredibly massive face plant.

There are 2 things that I didn't like.
1. It's huge. If you have to carry it around in your boat all day with all your other gear (as i do), that alone would be enough to keep me from getting one.
2. Expense. This would definitely be a water toy that I'd be going in with my regular ski buds to split the cost on. No way I could swing a grand or more for one by myself.

Still, really cool toy and easier on the body vs. wakeboarding etc... As long as your not falling.
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I highly reccomend you guys go over to Barefoot Central's website and check out thier newest feature. They now have a Livestream broadcast interviews with todays' persons making an impact in the sport of barefooting and other disciplines. You can ask questions to all. Last night they had the owner of Sanger boats on talking about boats and what the future holds for barefooting and freestyle barefooting. On April 26 @ 8:00E they will have Geno Yauchler. Geno is a popular foiler and will be at the Katy(Houston), TX NAutique Big Dawg Ski Jam hosted at Barefoot Central's compound. Just thought I would share.
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Water temp is 69 degrees right now.
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I would guess the water is between 65 and 70, but the air temp has been anywhere from 55 to 85. Last year we had a front blow through and the high might have gotten to 60 on Saturday and it was cloudy. The day before and after it was sunny and mid 80's.
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Is really that cold?

Ryan, I got your number. I will call later in the week.
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Wow, "not a childs toy" My 8 year old would disagree with that. If any one is interested, that thing shouldn't be worth more than $250, if he really wants to be firm about $500 then it can keep collecting dust in his garage.

Anthony, take a thermometer with you to Lake Murray, we never can figure out what to take when we go. 1st time I took a spring suit and needed a full, next time I took a full suit and would have been better off in a drysuit.
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