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    Posted: June-14-2010 at 7:53pm
Thanks for those observations. I know what you mean about the weight transfer. It is hairy sticking most of my weight on that foot, especially my reverse. I also learned over the weekend if I bend my knees a bit more, get more arch in the back, that my foot glides better and it is easier to pick up the one-foot. I took a few headpackers over the weekend. Always glad I wear the neckbrace.
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Hi Sacfooter,

Those falls are brutal, but if you backfoot, its going to happen eventually. The main reason for those falls is that you aren't transfering your weight before you lift. Even your best transfer is about 50%. You need to be at 90% transer + before you lift. It seems counterintuitive, because when you have all of your weight transfered your foot is deep in the lake. However, the reason you are catching is your lack of transfer before you lift. I love the boom cam! Always makes for a cool shot, keep working it!
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OK. You guys get to see all the good runs in a session via SacFooter videos. Here are a few runs from Sunday that did not make the cut. I was off a bit that day, but still had fun. If I did not wear a neck brace I would have gotten hammered.

Hard Day of Footin'
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Think I'll be sore tonight too. Footed today with bad form and posture, paid the price.
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Well, here is a good one for footing and pain. Hit a small roller while tumbling:

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Originally posted by LakeBoy LakeBoy wrote:

Barefooting = pain

Simple formula. I do not embrace the pain, but there are a few ways to avoid a headpacker. Plan for it: be smart, ski in best conditions, stretch, ski within your means, and most of all, wear a neckbrace!

For kicks, I put together a wipeout video of me and my guys. This is about 8 months of skiing represented here:

Barefoot Wipeouts!


Enjoy!


OUCH!!! that gotta hurt!!
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If I recall he bit his lip on that one. Even Andy was surprised how much he bounced. I start thinking about trying one of those and think the better of it.
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5 points to Andy for hangin' on to that jump-off-the-back-of-the-boat start....that was a pretty good hop.
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those falls that have no explanation I thing are a hand that come up from the murky depths and grabs your foot! Good observation 75, that's why I video so much is to see what is really going on. A lot of times it is a slight out of position body combines with catching a toe. Often i look down (go down!) and the shoulders and hips move slightly forward, catch a toe, then BAM!

Wearing a neckbrace has taken SOOOO much pain (and risk) out ov my falls. God also blessed me with an instinct to let go of the handle quickly when I start to fall. Hanging on too long, or trying to pull it out really increases the pain of falling.
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That makes me want to foot BAD!!
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Good video roy, lots of legendary falls in there.
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Excellent compilation Roy. Lots of fun!! For some masochistic reason, it makes me very anxious to get out and hit the water...so to speak. Finally due to happen in the next few weeks...I would hope.

It's funny, a lot of those falls you can see why they happened. Others, there is absolutely no apparent reason...other than the barefoot gods coming up and biting you in the arse, just for the fun of it.
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Barefooting = pain

Simple formula. I do not embrace the pain, but there are a few ways to avoid a headpacker. Plan for it: be smart, ski in best conditions, stretch, ski within your means, and most of all, wear a neckbrace!

For kicks, I put together a wipeout video of me and my guys. This is about 8 months of skiing represented here:

Barefoot Wipeouts!


Enjoy!
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Barefooting like any watersports can have nasty crashes. Its true that you don't have a board to "launch" you, but you can fall very awkwardly with arms out, injuring shoulders and knees, but the biggest issue would be concussions. I have taken thousands of falls, several with concussions, but that didn't stop me from continuing my set. Anyone who says they got dinged, or see stars and stuff like that is on the verge of conscussion. Scorpion falls hurt as well, thats where your legs touch your back or very close. That one will send you to chiropractor. I would say for me however, is when I was learning to backwards barefoot. That was like getting into 35 car accidents everyday for a month. Needless to say my neck lost its natural curvature. I know there are more talented skiers out there than me, but stuff happens. It doesn't stop me or slow me down yet, I assume there will be some reprocussions in the future, but it is what it is. I rarely fall now, a few times a summer, but I don't push the envelope anymore, maninly working on a few new tricks, but mostly just in maintenance mode. You can successfully learn how to barefoot, with very few falls at the professional schools in Florida. Its when you go out with some buddies (who know how to foot) so that makes them an expert that you really get yourself into trouble. Learn properly and you won't have too much trouble. Again, you can avoid obvious crash situations like, letting go before a set of rollers instead of trying to foot through etc, that will make it much more enjoyable as well. Also not doing endurance will help as well, losing the fatty tissue in your heels, is not my idea of fun, I have seen it happen, pretty gross.

I would take a lesson from an acredited coach, then once you get proficient, you can perform many tricks and rarely fall. Even so when you do fall those crashes will usually be anticipated and not be very violent. However, you can still take the crash, that comes out of no where. Do 1 foot wakes, or backwards hit a set of rollers that you couldn't see. Show skiing and endurance footing is a recipe for disaster with rough water being the norm. However, in controlled settings, on a boom and shortline, you can do a lot of footing without incident.

I hope you take up the sport of barefooting, when done properly its a ton of fun, and great for the whole family. However, if you learn from joe blow, it can be rough.
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Easter or else weekend here, I´m leaving out of town, to the country, so no boating this WE....   
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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

little better today..still some pain though...
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That's good news. As long as you're all better by the weekend so you can go out and do it all over again.
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little better today..still some pain though...
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Originally posted by jbear jbear wrote:

You must be pretty busy at work these days Larry...10:56am!

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Priorities, John. Besides, spreadsheets and graphs almost look like real work.
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You must be pretty busy at work these days Larry...10:56am!

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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

talking about pain..had a bad scorpion yesterday, my neck and waist are still in pain, Waist is still stiff and I can´t arch back!!!


Well overall, I'd say that sounds like a pretty good day of footin' The aches and pains the next day are pretty much a direct correlation to the fun and satisfaction of the day as you can see in the data from the following scientific study.







But it does help to find relatively smooth water. I've seen some of your videos and you do try to tackle some pretty rough water.

All that being said...do be careful out there...you don't want to bust yourself to the point of losing out on time on the water
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talking about pain..had a bad scorpion yesterday, my neck and waist are still in pain, Waist is still stiff and I can´t arch back!!!
lesson: never foot in choppy waters!!!
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I will agree with everyone else. Wakeboard falls suck! I've never gotten injured so much in my 35 years of skiing like I have with wakeboarding! Barefoot falls are nothing! If you remember to tuck and roll when you fall. Seems hard to even think you have time to do that, but after time, you will learn to fall without taking one to the face! I do have video of my dad after his first successful attempt of a deep water start, stand up too straight, spit, then face plant! He actually bruised his eye lids! (he was 42 when he learned).

Lane bowers has a video on youtube of a 76 year old man that is backfooting! He learned at age 70. It helps to go out with someone with experience so you learn the right way the first time!
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Heel blister, yup I know all about that! I did mine two years ago on the July 4th going long line! The lake was smooth,and I was was having a blast. I noticed that into a sharp left turn while outside the wake that my left foot began to burn, but felt better going back into the chop of the boat. It felt numb behind the boat! I ended my run because of a big 28 ft fishing boat throwing a good wake. At the time, I was upset at the fisherman, but he really did me a favor. My small eraser sized blister got worse as the day went on, did oatmeal baths and toher things, and stopped footing after that. The blister grew into the size of a quarter, never got black though! The wound repairs itself in layers from the inside out. While at a campground at the Wisconsin Dells, it finally closed up, same day that we were going to a water park. There was no way that I was going on any rides, I sat, read a book and let the air and sun continue to repair the damage. My mistake was that I also continued to ski while wearing a sock that summer, most likely adding bacteria to the wound.    

I kept active, but could not wear closed toe shoes. My foot would really throb after walking around. While camping n mid August, I noticed these little flys (size of fruit flies) congregating around my wound, as I tried to keep it uncovered so that air could help to close it up!

It's all good now, but I still have a dark pink area the size of a small eraser which shows the spot of the wound, not tender, but there! I still foot, but drop when it starts to burn! Only thing that came close was a fall from jumping into a cross wind and hitting the water sideways with the body!



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Originally posted by quinner quinner wrote:

All good advice above, keep in mind that one painful aspect you cannot do anything about is the burn of your feet, this does get better the more you foot but is mostly unavoidable.



I have nasty first hand knowledge of this aspect of footin'. A couple of years ago, we were practicing for endurance footing when I developed a blister (not the first) on my heel from a long run. I didn't do anything with it until I noticed a strange smell. I checked out my heel, and the blister was black and gnarly looking. The next day I saw my doc. He sent me right to the hospital for a bone scan. He was worried that the deep blister, now infected, had reached the bone. If that would have happened, transfusions, or worse, they start lopping off parts. It all checked out good, but I had to off-weight the heel for 3 months. The Doc wanted me to use crutches early on. I told him there's no way I'm telling my buddies the crutches are because of a freakin' blister. So I limped around.
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I was. I needed our IT guy to have pity on me. Did a house call last night..man it is good to be back on at full speed. Still some stuff to figure out tho..like no sound for some reason and lost all my addresses. Got to redo the favorites list..but still good to be back none the less.

What do you mean "gracious host"? We would have been better hosts if you had stopped for a night with me and Patti. BTW..still enjoying the liquid refreshment you brought me...thanks!

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Thanks Larry! Must be the very smooth water and great instruction..which btw..you could easily take advantage of with a short visit here. You'd get to try out that new neck brace.

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I'd show-off with a bacerds pic but I crahed my computer a couple weeks ago trying to "fix" it. So it might be awhile before I find my pictures.

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Thanks for the lead-in Larry.....

I'll up the ante...just turned 59 and will be footin' in 10 years when Alan turns 60. Wow...then I'll be knocking on..yikes.

Learned to backerds when I was 57. Have to second what was said about good instruction. My guy was/is backfoot100..Eddie..what a teacher. Of course footin' with guys like Hollywood tends to keep one young. Invest in a neck brace too. Money well spent.

As to the falls...best I can say is my wakeboard has been in the garage attic for 2 years now and is gonna stay there for awhile more. Jump and kite crashes used to hurt even when I was younger but I haven't done either of those in quite a few years.

I'd show-off with a bacerds pic but I crahed my computer a couple weeks ago trying to "fix" it. So it might be awhile before I find my pictures. Man I hate computers! But our IT guy finally had pity on me and came to the house yesterday and got me going. Sure am glad to be back!

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