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    Posted: May-28-2011 at 6:39pm
wow,that sounds like a sweet deal.please let us know how it goes.thanks
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Ok,
I just got a rough quote to peel my 88BFN $400-600 And done on site.
For comparisin he did a 19'Boston Whaler with several gelcoats and bottom paint and it was $600.He thoought without looking mine would be around the $400 mark.He is coming to look at it Tuesday.I will keep you posted.
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now iam thinking of keeping it and doing the whole thing myself.i took 4 pages of notes on tim's bfn rebuild and joe's sn.i want to go all composite.as for ripping now,the stringers are rotted and i dont want to push it,i got the 05' for daily abuse.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-25-2011 at 2:59pm
Thats some scary stuff- Ive never seen gel so far gone! Like HW said though, its not going to bother the functionality of the boat- Id keep running it until you had the time to fix it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hollywood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-25-2011 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

definitly would like to find a peeler.


Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

i ran it for last 3 weeks and quarter size peices popped off everywhere[hundreds]


Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

less expensive manner?


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the glass guy who quoted my boat said if i were to grind the bottom of my boat he would not touch it as it would make a mess.definitly would like to find a peeler.
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Originally posted by wakeboardin2k4 wakeboardin2k4 wrote:

Willing to rent it after you're done!!

Yes,But not sure how much of a time saver it will be for my application.

But after grinding on my boat there has to be a better way.I think a planner style machine like the Gelplane or the Paint Shaver is the only safe economical solution.I would like to restore more boats in the future and one of these types of tools would make it much more enjoyable.
I would like to find out about this tool that someone was trying to make...
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Willing to rent it after you're done!!
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Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

doing a little research and cant find anything about gel coat cutter.sounds like sandblasting could be a option.any opinoins on that?

I too will need to do gel coat removal on my boat. The 2 tools that I have found are:
Gelplane some were around $2,000
Paint Shaver   $800-600 but have found several used ones for around $400-350

The Gelplane is awesome works well on contours.
The Paint Shaver is an angle grinder with a carbide tool holder; it looks like it would work well on flat surfaces but contours would be difficult.
Both have what I feel is the most important feature chip / dust collection built right in to the unit. Hooks up to a shop vac.

I found a Paint shaver locally used. The seller said he would meet me that would be great I would like to try it before I buy it if he is ok with it.(on my little speed boat project)
Oh if searching use "gelcoat peeler"
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doing a little research and cant find anything about gel coat cutter.sounds like sandblasting could be a option.any opinoins on that?
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Flip that old girl over and break out the belt sander
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hi tim,i'll try to email some pictures.i am computer illiterate so bear with me.it is very bad,i ran it for last 3 weeks and quarter size peices popped off everywhere[hundreds]
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Brian, I just saw that you listed the boat for sale on CL. Shoot me an email if you dont mind- Im curious how bad the gel is: TRBenj@gmail.com
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As it is not mine and not a correctcraft there is no surprise around the corner.   But yeah I am pretty deep into an early 70's I/o ...if I ever finish it I will take pictures
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

    Story of my life lately all very labor intensive

Joe,
So now we do know you've been working on something!! You're keeping very quite on it though! When's the big surprise?


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IMHO, for deck repairs I feel you are wasting time with expoy step. The ultimate bond is till going to include a poly product and the water issues are not there. So for the original posters below waterline issues I would in fact remove gel, remove glass, at least one layer of epoxy matt, then a vinylester layer then fair, primer, fair, gel, sand, wetsand, buff, etc.

But for the deck stress cracks remove gel, repair the underlying damage, (using a good poly/vinyl product), then it is fair, sand, primer, sand, gel patch, sand, wetsand, buff..    Story of my life lately all very labor intensive but not rocketscience if one wants to get real comfortable in a respirator..
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Originally posted by wakeboardin2k4 wakeboardin2k4 wrote:

Thanks Pete!
My next question is what is to be done about gelcoat that cracks on the deck of a boat before spraying new gel? Will those same cracks come back?

Eric,
The glass below the gel is the structure of the hull and needs repair before new gel goes down. The cracks would come back. They must be routed out and filled. A epoxy fill is best. Depending on the area and the size of the stress crack, reinforcement on the bottom side of the deck may be needed. After the epoxy fill of the routed out areas, then a polyvinyl must be put down before the gel. The gel (polyester) won't stick to epoxy but a polyvinyl will and in turn the gel will stick to it.


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Thanks Pete!

I get what you're saying.

My next question is what is to be done about gelcoat that cracks on the deck of a boat before spraying new gel? Will those same cracks come back?

Sorry Brian, not trying to pull the focus away from your great Silver Project! I hope something works out for you to keep it and get the work done for less money!!!

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Originally posted by wakeboardin2k4 wakeboardin2k4 wrote:

Rookie question....why can't you gel over osmosis?

Eric,
You can but it's hard to be sure there still isn't moisture in the resin that caused the problem the first time. The blisters may come back in the same and or different spots. It has happened with "quick and dirty" gel repairs.


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Rookie question....why can't you gel over osmosis?
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iam really torn on this one.sounds like about $9k to have bottom professionally done .at this point i would consider selling if anyone was intersted or if someone would like share their experience if they have gone through this process feel free to email me bbishop1974@hotmail.com
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Pete he may still have the pic’s. The same happened to my stringer thread.
What I found is after you post if you then move the pic’s in your photo bucket to let’s say to a different album. They will then show that the image has been moved in the thread.   
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Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

hi pete,i was hoping for your input.have you ever gone through the process?could a inexperienced restorer pull it off?meaning myself,thanks

Brian,
I have not had to go that far but a close friend up north does. I've see what he has had to go through!!! Here on site, the last person who did it was Gary (farmer). That side tracked into a thread on his modification to make a tool to cut down the old gel.

The last time I went looking for his re gel thread, he had removed all the pictures from Photobucket!


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Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

has anyone encountered this problem and resolved it in a less expensive manner?


Sounds like a good candidate for paint . . . sorry Pete!

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That's ok BUT, you can't just paint over bad gel!! It's got to come off just the same as doing a re gel! But, we have seen some people try!!!


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Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

has anyone encountered this problem and resolved it in a less expensive manner?


Sounds like a good candidate for paint . . . sorry Pete!
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hi pete,i was hoping for your input.have you ever gone through the process?could a inexperienced restorer pull it off?meaning myself,thanks
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Brian, if you decide to sell, check the Orlando Craigslist listings under boats. There is a guy desperately seeking to buy a Silver right now.
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Brien,
He's correct on the process but if you what to go all the way, epoxy first, then vinylester finished off with the polyester gel. Putting the $$$ into it will be up to you.


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