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storm34
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John, just got your voicemail sorry again for missing your calls. I'm out at the lake now (no service) so I'll call you back in the morning. One of these times we'll catch up!!
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john b
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I am going back to Villa Park (Chicago) tomorrow. I will be coming back up sometime between thanksgiving and early December. Maybe we can synchronize our watches and make an Exchange. Crandon is about 70 miles away as I am sure you know.
Sorry I missed your call this am. My phone got into airplane mode somehow. I tried to call you se several times today but missed you. Give me a call tomorrow if you can, ill be on the road. |
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1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox"
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storm34
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Looks great John! Left you a voicemail this morning, I may wind up in Crandon WI sometime around Thanksgiving or soon after. Thought I was going to have to bring a motor back but it's being picked up for me. That may save you a trip and some gas $.
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john b
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They were really stuck together. Their design allows you to use the nuts as jacking bolts by putting spacers behind them and loosening them causing them to push the two parts apart. They are amazingly clean inside. I thought that being aluminum they would shoe some corrosion.
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1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox"
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Gary S
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I see you got the manifolds apart,did they give you any trouble?
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john b
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The name of the thread no longer applies. It is now a 69 Mustang SS with no engine.
I was surprised that the engine mount lag bolts were still tight. The hull is now officially stripped. It is sad in one respect. There are probably Mustangs running around with worse hulls. The engine now awaits a trip from the northwoods of Wisconsin to the machine shop for a rebuild sometime next year. With luck it will find a new hull to snuggle up with and make beautiful music once again The hull and #2 trailer may not be so lucky. |
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1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox"
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john b
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Great news. I am back in the Mustang market. I have convinced Mrs B that a seriously overpowered Frankenboat is not what we need. She said I can shop for a Mustang again, but I am not allowed to bring home a "project". It must be nice and ready to use. This means I will be taking some parts off the 69 SS as spares and most likely parting it. Perseverance paid off. I think Mrs B calls it pestering. I know I am on the right track now. She agreed that she isn't that interested in a ski/speed boat anyway. She is happy on her motorized floating patio.
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john b
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I want to thank everyone for all the help and advise on the Mustang.
I have had a lot of input from Mrs B and my oldest daughter, Jenny, on what I need to do on the boating front. They have decided that I NEED to finish the 72 15' Mark Twain that I have in the garage at home. The boat has a lot of memories for them. I agreed to sell the 64 Mark Twain in the sprig because its an old stinkpot 2 stroke. To finish the 72 I MUST install a hybrid SBC 383 stroker motor that my friend at R&R engineering will build for me. I already own the Seastar hydraulic steering system, Mercruiser Alpha drive, gauges, and accessories for if. The hull is in showroom condition without a stress or spider crack in it. I have decided to strip the foam from the 69 Mustang and hold it in reserve in storage. I hope to find the missing parts for it on this site over the next year or so and maybe attack it next winter. I really want a Mustang, but if seems the rest of the family isn't thrilled about the seating arrangement on it. They have ridden "in the back of the bus" in my brothers Supra and they don't like being back there unable to talk to front seat passengers. The rumble of the engine doesn't help either. I am pretty sure they will find the sound of the Mustang objectionable. Please forgive me for not being pure of heart when it comes to CCs, but I will get my Mustang in time. Maybe I can even talk my painter into shooting gel coat given the time. |
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john b
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I found the dryer vent, I am still looking for the dryer.
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mountaineerminer
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John,
I was going to make a post on that smell alone, lol. I have taken the deck off mine and started to "dig" out the foam; that stuff is nasty!!! I have done a stringer job on a bayliner type last year, and it smelled no where near as bad as the CC foam, and it was wetter. |
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john b
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It was too windy up here to work on the project I have going so I pulled the Mustang home from storage just to look at it some more. I couldn't stand the thought of it going through repeated freeze / thaw cycles again with the better part of the lake in the foam. One thing led to another and I opened it up. My olfactory was assaulted by the most unpleasant odor. I removed what I estimate to be 80# of saturated foam from the area forward of the bilge bulkhead between the primary stringers. 3-5 gallons of water ran out as well. I can't make a decision on this boat. I will strip the foam before winter and think on it some more. Does this qualify for a superfund site?
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bbishop1974
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john b,please dont part out the blue ss.someone has to save the rare ones,if its not for you pass it on.i was told to part out my 86' silver nautique and i could probably make a few bucks doing it.in the end i have decided to keep and restore all of it myself.my gel below the water line appears to be way worse then yours.i figure if i screw it up at least it will be under water.
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john b
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Thanks, I will keep it in mind. Right now I am having a hard time committing to breaking it up. I have considered having my friend who owns a body shop repair and paint it. It would be somewhat costly, but quite a bit cheaper that gel. Either way peeling the gel is a lot of labor$.
BTW, I hit a pothole with Mrs B and the other Mustang. I hope to get back on the road soon though. When she found out that the blue SS was now a parts boat and I was jumping into another project she knew in her mind that I had lost mine. She agreed to it if I sell one of my current boats and a car. I had a deal lined up for my 64 Mark Twain, but the buyer was short on cash. I hope I can work something out, but my boats are in storage for the year so it doesn't look good. Its true, the stuff does start to own you! |
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mountaineerminer
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john b,
If or when you do decide to start selling off some extra parts I would be more than willing to take that horn, glovebox, and steering wheel off your hands! |
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john b
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Here are a couple photos of the blue hull's problems. There are both cracks and blisters. Most of them are in the bow section from the dash forward below the floor line where the water accumulated in the flotation foam while left outside and endured countless freeze / thaw cycles. I agree that it is a very desirable boat, but Mrs. B doesn't want me to tackle that big a project. So here I am with a possibly ready to run pretty nice Mustang that I can tinker and tweek each year. it is a shame to put the blue SS to rest, but it only makes the remaining ones more rare and desirable. As I said, the "new" Mustang could become an SS clone.
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john b
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It would be hard to decide. I have seen them both ways on the site and they both look great!
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DrCC
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And they look even better when they are sanded smooth and polished.
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8122pbrainard
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The H/M manifolds do have their very own sound and yes, they are louder!!
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john b
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BTW, your boat is amazing! But I see you get that all the time.
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TRBenj
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John, I got your email but could not reply (your profile has it set to "private"). I am indeed interested in the blue hull, so keep me in mind if you end up dismantling it. Logistics may be a little tricky, but Im certainly in no rush.
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john b
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I found this one in WI too.
I'm pretty sure the blue boat will not miss the manifolds and other parts. I wondered about the stickers myself. The owner really doesn't know that much about the boat or CCs in general. All he could tell me about the stickers is that they were on there when he bought it years ago. He has used it very little, sometimes it has had stretches of 4 years in the barn. Thanks for the suggestions on the hose. I will probably replace all rubber, including the exhaust hoses. I have read on this site somewhere that the Mustangs are loud and the H/M Mustangs are louder. This owner also said its a loud boat. After reading TJBenj's 2007 post on his amazing exhaust system I checked out Eddie Marine. I see they sell some SS inline mufflers. That might be the ticket. The blue boat has rubber ones, but I don't know if they flow well. Any suggestions are welcome and appreciated. The blue SS is a donor boat now. I like the colored hulls better, but this one really is nice so I couldn't pass. I may send the engine out to my friends machine shop and have it "freshened up" and detailed over the winter. It's too early to tell. I don't even have it yet. |
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vondy
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That's pretty complete looking. You even have the original steering wheel and the side panels.
You look long enough some HM Manifolds will come up. Check out the Donzi sites every now and then. First thing everyone will tell you is to replace the rubber hose on the high pressure side of the fuel pump with metal or a Cost Guard approved rubber one. There's a guy on this site that makes the step pads if you want some nice shiny new ones. Pretty sure the big HM sticker on the back is not original |
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TRBenj
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That boat has come up before- its in MN, right?
So the blue boat will become your parts boat? Thats kind of a shame. Hold onto that blue hull for me, though. Ive been looking for one for quite a while. |
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john b
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In the photo it has a long pylon. The owner had that made for wakeboarding. The boat comes with the original as well. Looks like I will have some extra parts and #2 trailer with a owner engineered tongue to find a home for. There is a little voice in my head that is telling me this could be made into an SS clone with the extra parts, but for now just a winter of polishing, detailing, maintenance, and switching out those manifolds.
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john b
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Well, I did it, I just closed on another Mustang. I will pick it up in a week or two, maybe I will have enough time to take it for a spin this year. This one is pretty clean and has a H/M 235hp 4V. I believe it is a 70 by the title, However I have been warned by those in the know on this site not to make assumptions. The boat is S/N M2799 and is not an SS. It has a few issues, but I can address them myself. The H/M manifolds have been replaced with Osco aftermarket manifolds long ago, the front scoop is missing, it has had a snap on pad made for the top of the flat top fiberglass dog house and it has aftermarket seats bolted to the original seat frames in front. There is a minimum of cracking by CC standards. It has the fiberglass rear seat frame I just happen to know where I can get the manifolds, scoop, horn, spare H/M engine and a host of other parts. Just about the only thing I will need is front seat frames, well, I do have one, but it is cracked. I am pretty excited about this boat. I will be at the GL reunion next summer.
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john b
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Wow, you guys are brutally honest about the condition of your boats. I really love them and it is obvious there is a lot of boat Passion out there.
In light of this and in keeping with the "they're only original once" philosophy I believe I have turned the corner and have a new appreciation of what the Boat Dr. calls patina, and others may call loving use. I am now going a slightly different direction. Here is a preview of what I hope will be on the lift next spring, and hopefully at GL if I can swing the deal Just a hint, the 69 SS was a 2V, although it had been converted to a 4V with the correct 1969 intake manifold. I am not sure if that really enhanced performance. Amazing what you can find nearby. |
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vondy
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Yeah that's my guess. Poor docking and a lot of beaching. |
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Hollywood
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vondy, your cracks look mostly like they're from poor docking...
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DrCC
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And there were two different molds.
Smooth transom and the one with bump-out for the lifting block. I think the old mold may have been used in early '71. |
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TRBenj
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The 16'1" hull was used as early as '63, I believe... it was used for American Skiers, Tahoes and Star Flites at first, and later Mustangs, Skylarks and Skiers. It was used through 1970. The new 16'5" hull was introduced for '71. |
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