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KRoundy
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Posted: October-01-2011 at 1:29pm |
OK. Thanks. That's what I was thinking must go in there.
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jimsport93
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Kevin, shot my rudder port with marine rated grease. Same stuff that I used on the trailer wheel bearings. Not sure if that is the correct grease, but it is what I had on hand.
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KRoundy
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I have a follow-on question. Anybody know what kind of grease should go into that grease fitting on the rudder?
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Bri892001
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Cool, thanks Jim. That's helpful to see.
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jimsport93
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Brian, here are some pics:
Interior stern Rudder port with packing nut and tiller arm removed Packing nut repacked with fresh packing |
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jimsport93
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Dave, the ride with our HR person went well. Not sure about the "star" part. Mohawk is looking at ways to increase our productive selling time and make our life as a sales rep more efficient.
You are welcome to stop by any time. Got the rudder port re-packed and back together. Waiting on a new fuel guage sending unit for the gas tank before I put everything back together. Was in hopes of that part arriving today...not. Should be here tomorrow. |
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Salty
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Good luck with HR today Jim. I am guessing they are filming a training video on how it is supposed to be done by the star?!!! I may need to do a drive by and check on your rudder work since I need to do the very same with mine.
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Salty
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jimsport93
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Brian, yes, have a camera. Will take some pics. Probably tomorrow before I post them. About ready to call it a night. Got a big day riding with a corp human resources person tomorrow.
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Bri892001
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Do you have a camera handy? Not to be a PITA, but I'd like to see what a real one looks like all apart and ready to be assembled.
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jimsport93
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Got it undone. Four rings of 3/16" packing. Thin brass washer on top of packing nut followed by a stainless washer and then the tiller arm. Getting all the old gunk cleaned off and ready to put it back together.
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Keeganino
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When I packed mine i did as you described above, just like the shaft packing. 3 staggered layers of packing.
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jimsport93
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Greg, sprayed some liquid wrench on locking nut Monday. Undid the tiller arm from the steering cable inorder to get a better angle. Used a pipe wrench, pulled and beat the end of the wrench with a hammer. It finally busted loose.
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BuffaloBFN
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Good deal; and the $.38 question-what did you use?
I've seen several combinations of packing and the thin brass washer on rudders and shafts. Maybe someone can tell us both how they are supposed to be. |
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jimsport93
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Well my nuts are loose Only slightly scratched.
Thinking that I should re-pack with fresh packing while I am in there. Does the rudder take three seperate, staggered sections of packing like the drive shaft does? Know that I should support the rudder from underneath when disconnecting the tiller arm. Any other tricks or suggestions? |
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cbr1000dude
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Long ago I was cleaning out a car before it went to the wrecker (I was driving a tow truck at the time)and I found the biggest channel lock pliers I've ever seen. It's about 2 1/2 feet long, and can grip up yo about 6 inches wide. I thought, what would I ever need something this big for?
I almost chucked it. Since then it's saved my butt many times. That one and a smaller one (maybe 14 inches)busted my rudder and drive shaft lock nuts loose with no problem on a 24 year old SN that's had no maintenance I'm sure. You need a bigger wrench! BTW, I don't care if my nuts are scratched! |
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Bri892001
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Maybe this will help, it looks like it has a square in the end, to add additional leverage with a ratchet or breaker bar:
http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=WRENCH |
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BuffaloBFN
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Guilty as charged.
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8122pbrainard
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I'm going to need to consult Amy about this one!! |
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BuffaloBFN
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It's been a long time since I scratched my brass...
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BuffaloBFN
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Ha! Now you're on HW's watch list. |
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8122pbrainard
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Greg, You are a brass beaver chewing up the hex nuts too!! |
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BuffaloBFN
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Busy busy; us too. I still say a $20 pair of square jaw channel locks is the ticket. The pipe wrenches may scratch your nutz!
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jimsport93
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Greg, thanks for the invite. Right now I would have to pull the boat up there on the trailer. Seats, floor and gas tank out. I did spray a little liquid wrench, that I had on hand, around the lock washer before I left this morning. Had not had a chance to wrench on her yet tonight (the boat I mean). I have several pretty large pipe wrenches. It is pretty hard to get good leverage in those tight quarters. Got some job related homework to do tonight, probably won't have a chance to give it a try till tomorrow night. Want to get it done though....not much lake time left this year.
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BuffaloBFN
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Jim, we're happy to have you drop by for breakfast and some wrench turning if you come up this way. Of course it won't leak much over the winter.
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8122pbrainard
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Jim,
Get the two wrench handles close to one another and squeeze. Usually you can get the leverage to break the two nuts. However, I have run accross some where somone had the same problem and resorted to the old center punch and hammer trick on the hex of the jam nut. Forget the PB Blaster. In a previous thread the breaking torque figures were posted of various penetrating oils. PB came out almost as bacd as WD-40!! It's all marketing hype!!! The best was a home brew of 50% acetone and 50% ATF. Next was Kroil. I always have a can of Kroil around. Give the PB to your wife to use on the kitchen cabinet hinges!! |
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BuffaloBFN
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I'm not Pete...
Get a big pair of channel locks and put a rag in the jaw. Loosen the locknut first, and yes, looking down it goes clockwise. You can get a regular wrench or a big adjustable. Both would maybe be more proper, but your card will wince. |
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jimsport93
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Pete, not able to bust the packing nuts loose on the rudder port. Any suggestions?
If I am correct, the large top nut needs to go counterclockwise to loosen as the bottom, locking nut, needs to go clockwise. Does this sound correct? Should I spray some PB Blaster on them? |
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ny_nautique
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On my 84 SN tightening didn't work. I repacked with 3 layers of the goretex rope and it has made all the difference. Before, I could visibly see water sloshing in when not under power, and spraying in when moving. After, nice and dry.
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Hollywood
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I'm getting water through in our 88 after 10 years of never touching it. Pick up about 2-3 gallons over night. I plan on simply tightening it first.
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jimsport93
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Pete and Greg, was planning on tightening it. But, also thought that since I was in there to go ahead and re-pack it. Boat is almost 20 years old and I am pretty sure the original PO never did it. Although, the boat has never sat overnight in the water very much (a few nights since I have owned it...probably never with the PO).
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