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BuffaloBFN
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Gonna be near Atl anytime soon?
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8122pbrainard
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The OO would be a great wood to use due to it's rot resistance however, it's heavy and as you mentioned, it's does "go all over the place" when dried. That's probably why you only see it used for small "crafty" projects with shorts lengths. |
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the other day i was clearing out some pasture and cut a nice straight trunk out of a hedge tree (osage orange)and wondered how it would work for marine applications. we use it here for fire wood and fence posts but milling it is fairly uncommon since it can be pretty tough to find a long straight section. being that it is very uncommon, it is obviosly not a practical choice but it is hard and very rot resistant so i thought i would ask just for grins.
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juniorwoody
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http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1996/ramme96a.pdf
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dwcar
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Pete,
help me out and throw me a few links. |
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8122pbrainard
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Don, What key words are you using for the search? It's an architectural engineering spec. It should also be spec'd under the UBC.
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juniorwoody
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I have had instances in the home building industry where the architect specified doug fir on particular floor joists lets say, because it has more strength than other grades such as SPF for the same dimension.
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dwcar
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Pete, I have looked on the internet and can not find this kind of info (building specs). Where are you finding it? |
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wingwrench
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I used SYP in my American Skier, mainly because I had some left over from another project. It was clean, straight and had been in dry storage for over a year. I brushed on 2 coats of thinned epoxy before bedding and lay-up. SYP is a little heavier than DF.
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ski-guy
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How significant is the fast growth aspect of douglas fir? We have some pretty slow growth avaialble (Western Canda)but frankly it is hard as a rock and not much fun to work with. I was thinking of looking for a source on Vancouver Island which would likely be much faster growth than trees from the interior of BC and therefore I was thinking not as hard of a wood to work. (Course I am still hoping MY stringers aren't rotten....) |
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1980 SN - don't worry dear, I may have $10+K into this project boat but I can easily sell it for $5k
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BuffaloBFN
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I used 8/4
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65 'cuda
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Be aware that a 5/4 x 8 board sold surfaced will be 1" thick finished, and 7 1/4" wide.
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Roym
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I think a 2x is only 1 1/2 inch wide, so it's not too much difference.
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ny_nautique
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I called mine today and it was $9.79 per bdft. At 14 feet it would be $137.06 each. However, they said it was 5/4 inch (1 1/4"). Is that OK or does it need to be 2x?
This is finished on 4 sides, kiln dried, and stored inside. |
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Roym
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Called local lumber yard today and found DF 2x10x14 boards were $70.00. Not sure of the of the lenght needed for a Ski Tique, but the choices were 14' and 20'. I'm thinking the 14' would be long enough, but haven't measured it, as the floor is still in place.
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juniorwoody
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My two cents, SYP rots fast. It is a bad choice period. In terms of using what's available I would haven no issue with either DF or PTSYP provided they were good and dry, a criteria which is hard to meet. The moisture content in most of these materials when they leave the lumber verges on saturation. It is possible to find kiln dried Douglas fir at a cabinet supplier. Typically a board large enough will run about $250. If I had good dry Doug fir from the lumber supply I'd consider it suitable.
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Roym
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I only looked quickly at what they had at the time. I wasn't really considering it at the time, but have since read several web articles on the subject.
Sounds like a number of small boat builders use SYP. I am talking about mostly private persons who build boats. As far as cost goes, a couple hundred for wood isn't going to matter with the costs of everything involved. However SYP might be a choice also. I really don't think that Douglas Fir is the only option. |
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Gary S
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Yes but how does the end grain look? All this so called "wood" at these home stores leaves alot to be desired with their large fast growth rings.When you go thru the all the time and effort, how much will you actually be saving? |
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Riley
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I think it's one of those generic labels like SPF, (spruce, pine, fir), it's more apt to be Hemlock than Douglas Fir. I took it as BS at the time, but that's what the lumber yards are calling it. You can get Douglas Fir around here, but it is pricey and you have to order it or go to a specialy store. |
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Roym
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I believe the cost of regular non PT SYP was about $12.00 for a 2x10x16, and Lowes has plenty of it. It all looked pretty good(much better than expected), no large knots, and very few small ones. Looked clean and straight.
My son priced DF at some a lumber yard here, but I don't remember what he said. It wasn't inexpensive. He is flying back from Texas right now so I can't ask him. |
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eric lavine
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what are the cost differences between the yellow and the Douglass? plus the cost of the shipping. for the time some of these boats have been running around stringerless, corragated cardboard might be an option lol
not to mislead, but that may be worth a further look, |
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eric lavine
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CC also said in 93, we aint using this *************** anymore
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dwcar
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What is the difference between Him Fir and Douglas Fir? |
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8122pbrainard
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LVL stands for laminated veneer lumber. Microlam is one of the trade names. Unlike plywood where the grain runs alternate with each layer, all the venner in LVL runs the length of the member. There are other "engineered" wood products out there made with small shavings of wood just like OSB is made. Stay away from them. The lags will not be an issue as you are not going into end grain. As with solid lumber, I always recommend predrilling your pilot holes and filling them up a couple times with CPES. |
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I am doing a stringer job next winter and may have supply issus wth Douglas Fir. So a few questions to the wise...
Of the various types of LVL which is the best? And how do the lag bolts for the engine mounts work when into the end grain@ |
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Riley
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Funny they don't say Douglas Fir. Lumber yards started using the term "Hem Fir" around here back in the '90's.
Our Mustang has SYP main stringers and the outers and longitudals looked like white pine. |
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TRBenj
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CC clearly calls out the use of a "clear fir" stringer system in the 1991 brochure. |
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8122pbrainard
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Why not? Mahogany doesn't grow in Florida ether!! |
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Roym
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Yeah I don't think CC would of shipped in DF for boat building. There are tons of SYP and Cypress here, so I would think they would of used them.
I was thinking that instead of PT SYP, it might be better to use untreated SYP and the CPES treatment. |
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