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SNobsessed
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Posted: February-25-2012 at 1:51pm |
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That is a Prestolite EI. I have same dizzy & I am not running the ballast resister (have both wires to same side of resister, same as shown in the picture). This was advised by good 'ol '79 Nautique.
Supposedly, the electronic circuit inherently limits the current, therefore the resister is not needed. Here is a reference from a 'net search, cool that it brought me back to ccf. I haven't had any problems with my setup, but that thread ends with Tim announcing the death of his presolite! Ballast with Prestolite |
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notx2001
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This is what i see under the dist.cap. No branding that i can see.. standard? El?
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Bri892001
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Good information there. Thank you. |
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phatsat67
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Doc. I know you'll smoke points in no time with a full 12 volts. I switched to an accell super coil at one point because when it was warm at wot rpm it would break up after about a minute but it turned out to be a fuel issue. That coil has been on it with those points and that resistor I replaced for near 550 hours of operation with no problems.
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The wiring diagram is only good for the Petronix or the Prestolite dizzy and OEM module.Neither have a a trouble free reputation. Mallory uses a 3 wire and it is wired just as a points system, New replacement modules for the Prestolite need a ballast also. |
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The ballast must be used with the points , they cannot handle the full 12 volts.This is the purpose of the second wire on your starter solenoid, it supplies full voltage to the coil/points/ballast during crank only, and low voltage in run...What type coil are you using with this set up?...Billy |
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8122pbrainard
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Pull the distributor cap and take a look inside for an EI module. Brand would help too.
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notx2001
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Do i have what looks to be a standard ignition setup?
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Bri892001
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Hmmmm, there is such a thing as two wire distributor. Mine is similar to this one, which doesn't mention a ballast resistor on hookup:
http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RA107038 Also, this diagram show the resister being bridged in certain applications, which is the same thing as putting both wires on one post: |
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phatsat67
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My resistor was fried when I got the boat and someone had already installed the ignitor 2 electronic trigger instead of points. They just had the two wires bridged to one post of the resistor to run the electronic trigger. I eneded up finding an NOS distributor for 87 and up with the plastic internals and It runs like a top with points. I will not be converting to electronic any time soon.
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The difference between a hobbiest and a tech is looking at the "complete picture" Stupid does not make it Correct |
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Brian, your Prestolite module requires the use of the ballast, as do all but the Petronix junk. But do, what you think is right, but I see a module failure in the future.
There is a reason they use the ballast, full voltage at cranking, then to a lower voltage after she cranks. The added voltage ends up as heat, and will shorten the life of the ignition components...... |
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Bri892001
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Actually, to have both wires going to the same side of the ballast resister isn't always wrong. Some distributors do not use the ballast resister. My boat has an electronic Prestolite distributor and doesn't really use the resister, although, it is still there as a placeholder. It's the junction of a couple different feeds, including the choke, that are running off 12v switched ignition. In a setup like this the ballast resister is just a place holder, probably part of a mass assembled electrical setup. Someone may have changed your points distributor at some point to electronic and changed the wiring, so the ballast resister is just kind sitting there. |
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It amazes me how much these guys see in a dark picture showing 1/10th the boat.
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notx2001
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Two ring clamps similar to what is on the tubes now is suitable? I am somewhat of a novice when it comes to american motors, and new to inboard boats...The ballast resistor is the white rectangle with two terminals? I just checked it. It has two wires connected it to it, but those 2 are on the same terminal (is that correct?). The side that looks empty in the picture is empty. |
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Side note on your exhaust hoses, there should be dual clamps on the upper and lower connections. This is a Coast Guard mandate and a good idea too.
Ballast resistor should have two wires connecting it to the ignition wiring, I only see one wire? |
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MartyMabe
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You probably just hit the lugs on the solenoid
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notx2001
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Thanks, i guess I am just curious of it's reset physical motion, because i did not notice a whole lot of play on the breaker, just it being able to spin.
Appears to be working fine. I was on the water all sunday (post incident) and it was outputting ~14 volts all the time.
ya, ill have to go poke around with the multimeter. |
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Aaron,
Welcome to Correct Craft Fan. You have got the main breaker figured out! I'm sure the next question will be tougher |
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8122pbrainard
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Aaron,
Yes, that is the main circuit breaker. At least you now know it works! Take some time to read some of the threads here on CCfan. Great info plus there are several with wiring diagrams posted. Do check to make sure your alternator is outputting. Sometimes they do not like direct shorts and the rectifier bridge will get knocked out. You can tell by your volt meter after starting the engine. That's when the alternator will be recharging the battery. Also, check what it was you shorted out. There should not be any open/bare electrical around the cooler. Welcome to CCfan. |
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notx2001
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The red button on the plate here in the pic? It has a 50, I was thinking its some sort of resetable fuse/breaker? I was adjusting the oil cooler position and bumped a socket extension somewhere around these wires and made contact with some hot wire. Didnt think much of it and the next day i pulled it out in the driveway to fire it up and got nothing when i turned the key. I thought it was the fuse at ignition and that was ok, then fidgeted around back around this set of wires, pushing and twisting on the red button and then tried cranking and it fired up. took the boat out to the lake on sunday and it gave me no trouble since. Just wondering... thanks!
New CC owner, just picked up an 82' 2001, been lurking around here for a while. |
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