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8122pbrainard
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Tom,
Thanks for the pictures. It will fill in the gaps of the alignment 101 thread for some since, when filmed, I didn't have a dial indicator. |
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tbeard
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Pete and Tim, Thanks for the education.
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8122pbrainard
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tbeard
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Contacted the indicator on the taper and ran out the shaft. .002 TIR at that point. So the shaft has a total of .0025 runout from the hull back to the end of the taper. Excellent
Ran the boat for 3 hours last night and that coupling spins in a very smooth and silent mode....very cool. Normal oil pressure, no leaks and normal water temp. Will continue adjust the packing gland. Truley an exercise that is critical to the operation of the boat. Thanks We are ready to start skiing |
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tbeard
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Thanks Pete,
Good idea. Will do this afternoon. The boat had some minor low to mid range vibration prior to the restration. So this inspection will provide the last piece of info to determine if the issue has been addressed. If it is straight then the whole alignment has to be within factory spec. - New cuttlass bearing - Restored prop - Straightened strut - Align power train/shaft within .002 - Clearance through hull and Log. |
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8122pbrainard
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Tom,
It sure sounds and looks like you have the idea except for checking the shaft straightness aft of the strut. You want to pull the prop and locate the dial indicator on the aft end of the taper. Where you have the indicator located will typically not pick up a bend. A shaft bend aft is typical from a prop hit and usually is around the aft end of the strut. |
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tbeard
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Thanks.......Tom
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tbeard
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Ok I wanted to report back on the prop/shaft alignment progress. Thanks to Pete and Tim I now have enough knowledge to align this boat....I think.
1.) First I used a dial indicator and checked the shaft for bend. Shaft was within the .003 requirements. The shaft was not straight with the strut and the hull Log. I removed the Packing assembly and rubber hose off the log and the strut. I cleaned all the old adhesive and started shimming with washers until I had a good alignment through the Log and had the sweet spot (where the shaft spins with the least resistance). Then I used a flash light and looked for clearance between the hull and shaft from under the boat. 2.) Align drive train to shaft coupling within .003 3.) Assemble packing parts to Log. 4.) Use dial indicator and run out shaft at hull/Log and again on prop side of rudder. .003 max allowed. The shaft spins much easier and there is no interference with the hull. Thanks to all for the support |
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Waternut
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I used the heat/freeze method for my cutlass bearing. I don't know if this is an approved method or not but it was definitely the easiest thing I've done on this install so far and certainly seems nicer than pressing the bearings in place. I had two 2" bearings. I put the bearings in the freezer for about an hour and heated the strut with a propane torch. Then I ran inside, grabbed one bearing, and could slip it in by hand about an inch before the heat started the expand it. Then I lightly tapped the last inch with a rubber mallet.
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gR@HaM
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Plenty of photos please i'm looking to do mine soon once I've got myself a new shaft
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tbeard
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Mike that is a good idea also! So I did not support that shaft at all. I just slid it up to the trans coupling and adjusted the motor to align with it. I hope that is my problem. Going over to the shop tomorrow to get started.
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lakedog55
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I used a strap from one of the gunnelrails to the other. It made a v and supported the shaft. |
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tbeard
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I was told to use a block of wood with a "V" notch cut in it for the shaft to rest in. And slide it under the shaft until it is in the position you want. That is a pretty good idea and actually is the way "old machinist" used to check run out of round parts with "V" blocks. I will set it up and take some pics and post them.
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GlassSeeker
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is there any trick/method to securing the shaft in the position so it can't move?
or how do you do that? |
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tbeard
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Thanks.... For the alignment I will start from the begining as the video shows: loosen the flange bolts, loosen the gland, check shaft run out at the log and then on the taper, find where the shaft sweet spot is and secure the shaft in that position, align motor/trans to the fixed position of the shaft/coupling.....Think I got it:) Thanks everyone.
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8122pbrainard
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Alignment starts at the strut. As Tim mentioned, check the shaft alignment to the log first.
The packing gland was too tight. It should not run hot. Hopefully the shaft isn't scored. |
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TRBenj
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Even though the log hose is short on the BFN, it will still deflect under the weight of the shaft. Unfortunately, all the precision in the world when mating those coupler faces together doesnt mean a thing if the shaft is in the wrong position to begin with.
I would recommend trying again. This time, loosen the packing gland all the way so you can more easily tell where the shaft spins freely in the strut. Once you find that point, then support the shaft in that position so it doesnt move. Then proceed with the .003" coupler face alignment process. |
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tbeard
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After the cutlass and packing was installed there was zero play in the shaft in a un bolted state. At that point I slid the shaft/coupling up to the trans coupling and started adjusting the engine front and rear mounts until I met the .003 difference side to side and top to bottom. This took a couple of hours to adjust the engine until I had the gap correct.
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TRBenj
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Im not sure that an overtightened packing would cause the shaft to be hard to turn to the extent youre describing. It should still turn pretty easily when using the diameter of the prop as leverage. Tell us more about how you did the part in bold (above). It is not as simple as making sure the 2 coupling faces line up square... that is the second (and time consuming) part. First, you must find where the shaft spins freely in the strut, and align the powertrain to that point. If you aligned the powertrain to the shaft when it was sitting in any other position (it will sag under its own weight or can be forced up/down or side/side since there is some "squish" in the rubber strut bushing) then the powertrain was not properly aligned to the strut. |
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Riley
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Having the packing nut too tight would cause the shaft to turn stiff. Loosen the packing nut and see what happens. The water shouldn't be hot.
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tbeard
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The alignment was done after I installed the cutlas and packing. I replaced them while the engine was out and I could pull the shaft out of the boat without removing the coupling. So the process was...replace bearing and packing, install shaft/coupling in strut, install engine, align the two couplings within the .003 requirement, install prop. Could I have over tightened the packing? Note: I did have to back it off slightly to get the water to start to drip inside the boat.
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Riley
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Did you line it up after replacing the cutlass and packing? Spray some water on the shaft and trying spinning it. It should spin pretty easily.
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tbeard
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Installed a new cutlass bearing and new packing. Prior to running the boat on Sunday I noticed that the shaft/prop was not as easy to turn as I would like....kinda stiff. I thought it may just need to run a bit in the lake. We ran it and I adjusted the nut for 5 - 10 drops of water per minute. Note: The drops of water were HOT? After putting the boat back on the trailer I turned the prop and it is still stiff to turn. Not what I would expect. I watched Pete's video again and think I need to walk back through the process of alignment. Any additional suggestions?
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tbeard
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Ok Thanks Pete....
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8122pbrainard
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Tom,
Don't tighten the gland too much. I'd suggest hand tight, get it in the water, get some forward and reverse shaft spins on it and then go from there. If over tightened, sometimes the packing will stay tight. |
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tbeard
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For the packing material installation I followed the steps outlined on this site. My thought for tightning down the nut is...snugged it up aginst the packing and then 1/3 turn. Then put boat in water and leave it on the trailer and finish adjusting the nut there until I get the 3 drops per minute. Or is there something different I should do?
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tbeard
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Set screw yes....Only one is needed due to the new bearing in only 4 inches long and does not reach the second screw hole. No pics sorry.
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KRoundy
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Did you put set screws in? Take any photos along the way?
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tbeard
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Installed the cutlass bearing tonight and the packing with the shaft. Threaded rod worked great for pressing in the bearing. I lightly sanded off any burrs on the edge of the bore/strut. Cleaned the bore good with thinner and towels. She pressed right in.
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tbeard
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With the new packing process this is what I found on a old thread. Is this the same for the PCM 454? I assume it is but want to check. My old packing had 2 pieces wrapped and staggered 180 degrees apart. The packing rope was under $ 5.00 I hope I purchased the correct packing from Deep Blue.
"Joe, wrap the flax rope around the drive shaft firmly and so that the rope overlaps itself (in a spiral fashion but touching). Then (with a very sharp blade) cut the rope where it overlaps so that you have both ends freshly cut. You will need at least 2 pieces but maybe 3 or more like this. Then coax these pieces into the packing gland. Stagger the gaps of each piece so they don't line up. Then take a socket (wrench) and roll it inside the gland to coax it into place so the the shaft will go through. Fresh packing will not need to be tightened more than hand tight at first, but check your leakage in the water with the tranny in gear and running. About 1 drip every 15-20 seconds is good." |
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