The latest and greatest in shoreline destruction!

I am fortunate to have lakefront property. I'm on a 6800 acre lake about a mile wide. It has some protected areas for birds by way of slow speeds. Otherwise, it's wide open use. Well...slow speed inside of 100' of shore and spotter required.
Yeah I tube what'r'y'gonna'do!? :) The point is to have fun on the water people. I'll enjoy a free-ski slalom run on the glass in the morning if I beat others to it. I've learned here to slow to idle speed to turn around to pick up so as not to send rollers down the lake. When the lake wakes up then I might take others for a tube out in the middle of the lake. Or I might go for a sit-ski also further out. I also think towers are fugly but hey it's your money.
I firmly dislike boats plowing by close to shore. Cruising by fine...just not plowing. I use mooring whips to keep the boat away from the dock and they work well but I sure don't like the wild ride it gets. That's why I plow around further out. Golden rule and all that (not derived from religion incidentally). Plus the waves settle down by the time they get to shore.
The shore is pretty much rocky gravel. There isn't a lot of sensitive area other than the protected areas. I agree, though, that really...the constant battering a good storm will do to the shore I think far exceeds what the odd boat plowing by might do.
When a little slow cruise is wanted then I putt along at maybe 1000 revs. I wonder if the wake is too big...

Respect for others shared enjoyment of the lake is all that needs to be kept in mind. I think the surfing concept is pretty cool but I don't have the right boat for it and I don't want to weigh the thing down so much. And I certainly couldn't afford to upgrade. Keep it out in the middle and no one's going to be bothered by it.

Well that got way too long...anyway...my $0.02

Good post Joe. You said what I'm sure a lot of people are thinking.

Your's truly,

-Day Boater

Reminds me of life on Cape Cod. There are signs on the dunes behind the beaches to stay off the dunes, lest your feet destroy the sensitive ecosystem. Yet one average storm and the face of the dunes can be changed to the point of being unrecognizable. But still, I concur with the sentiment above. I can control the feet thing, I can't control the weather.

harddock wrote: Be respectful of the property owners. If you piss off the wrong group or even an individual enough they will get on their soapbox and rally together a lynch mob and the next thing you know you will need to be at idle in your big expensive wakemaker if they even continue to allow it's presence. This is true for any lake or river. Enjoy your toy but don't be an a$$ about it. Otherwise you and your rig will be trailering off to where you can enjoy.

BINGO!

I agree with John.

Not a lot to contribute to this discussion in general.. except to say that not all lakes are the same, certainly the one I live on could support a thousand wakeboats going by a day for the whole summer and take less damage than one day with a good wind out of the south produces. To talk about banning a type of boat or sport because it is not appropriate for all lakes is as silly as saying that a little pond shouldnt be able te regulate what is allowed. Personally I don't turn down a pull or a push on anything, behind anything.     

But on this post, with all due respect to Tim who I consider a good friend.. this I don't agree on..


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This one just sums it up and is the reason for this long rant. If you don't like it here, the advice we give then please feel free to leave and don't let the door hit you on the way out! Grow a thicker skin if you do want to continue being a member here and bring something positive to this website.

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This is Keiths site, a part of his livelyhood and a part of what puts food on his kid's plate (ok maybe a nautique in front of thier rope). I don't think it is appropriate for anyone else, regular, contributor, grand poobah, adveriser, etc. to invite people to leave. This site lives or dies on traffic, all traffic.. even those who never post or show up to a reunion, or choose to drive a bayliner pulling a tube are important to it's future. A private club of a bunch of guys who already know everything about a topic doesnt make for a very exciting forum, and blasting everyone who shows up with a different opinion on something certainly isn't the way to learn anything.

Tim is definitely not a usual or big offender in this area so I hesitate to quote his post, and he is obviously coming from a place of defending an attack against something important to him, but this wasn't the first person to make these complaints... and you can assume for everyone that chooses to speak up there are many others who just leave and instead of being someone out there who tells people about the site as a postive place they go out as someone that tells people they shouldn't waste thier time. Each one of those people, and each person they talk to is a possible advertiser, regular, reunion attendee, source of parts, future ski budddy.. etc.

It is nice that this site has developed a bunch of regulars that know each other and have become good friends, but that can also make it intimidating to a new poster. It is one thing to have a friendly back and forth with a regular who knows you, but don't assume the person reading your post has any background to know that you're not simply a know it all jerk. If you don't want to take the time to answer a post with a simple question thats been answered before nicely.. then don't answer it. If someone is being a jerk... ask them nicely to be nice, or flag them and let Keith or a moderator decide how to deal with it. If you really need to be a jerk, then be a jerk(not that Tim was being a jerk here, just defending his right to do so should the need arise), but inviting people to leave crosses the line IMHO.

I get, and I am sure others get a lot of emails and private messages from people with questions that they are hesitant to post because they are afraid of the responses they are used to seeing - and not that I mind but I would rather respond in a post where others can see the back and forth and the person could get other opinions. now they seem to It's a new year maybe we call all resolve to make the forums a nicer place.. except the off topic stuff, any newbie venturing over there gets what they have coming.

Yes I know what you are thinking and I have heard it before.. gee we are all adults people should be able to deal with it... perhaps, but why would anyone want to? I for one would love to see the site grow and be active, both so it survives and so keiths kids can end up with a new 200 sport (with NSS) in a couple of years so I can get a ride on it at a reunion. If someone wants to start thier own site for only guys with thick skins, and lakefront property, that drive completely original correctcrafts built before 1989 that have never pulled a tuber or boarder, and have never had a fram filter- feel free but last I checked this isn't it.

Boy, after living in a fairly unregulated state, I'd have a hard time with all those rules. I often hear on this site rules that others are subjected to like no sitting on the dog house, gunnell riding and all this stuff that Larry is subjected to, which seem rediculous to me. I live in a state where people move to because it's so beautiful, but then they want to pass rules so it is like where they came from because they did everything so well back there.

People ought to be respectful of each other and work out their differences themselves. I've found the last thing you want to do is complain to your local, state or federal government because you end up having rules. I never saw any place so regulated as Lake George, NY at the 2008 & 2009 NE Reunions. There must have been 4 different police agencies patroling the waters there. Our town just went through a period of graplling with a mooring ordinance which eventually got shot down. One of the major proponents stated need for the ordinance was "derelect boats" on moorings and "undersirable people drinking beer on moored boats", (how many Correct Craft Fans would fit that description?). Forunately, once the locals heard that stuff they figured it was just b*tching by people "from away". Sounds like surf boats are the assault weapons of boating.

P71_CrownVic wrote: john b wrote: On a 56,000 acre lake I can't imagine there is a problem with wake. Even Lake Geneva, at 5,500 acres and Green Lake, at 7,346 absorb the wake with no real detrimental effect I am aware of, but at more than 5 and 7 times the size of our largest lake respectively, it is no wonder. B Heck, evev Lake Tomahawk absorbs the waves. What some fail to understand is that on smaller lakes, the waves do not have time to diminish like they do on bigger lakes. I would like to see a 4K-5K pound limit on our chain with expensive permits for those who need a much bigger boat.

I thought there was a limit of 24'(ski boat) on our chain and no Cabin Cuddy's?

Wow, a neighborhood rule book with at least 8 sections in it. Do you live in the lawyers neighborhood?

P71_CrownVic wrote: But I would ban every boat with a tower in an instant and kill it with fire. I'd rather have bird flu than have a tower on my boat...or any boat for that matter.

Very ignorant statement, please explain to me how a tower is the culprit for large wakes, wtf??? The frikin surfers don't even use a rope other then on the start.

If you had even the slightest clue about pulled watersports you would know that though.

Gee, I wish I had lakefront property to erode........ Some of you are extremely lucky and don't even know it...

Moj

Hussler wrote: But how do you regulate it? A lot of the wakeboard boats have similar engines and similar sized hulls. Cant say no wakeboard towers or there will be plenty of Nautique owners that will have to rip them off. Alright then that wave making device on the back of that nautique, well thats pretty close to trim tabs. A ski boat and wakeboard boat are too similar plain and simple. So what then, nobody with Monster Energy hats then? From being apart of this very fight in real life you cant split the groups. Its the same with gun laws, from my perspective, dont blame the machine, blame the handler.

I honestly don't know. I think the only way to do it, would be sweeping "legislation" which would benefit nobody.

But I would ban every boat with a tower in an instant and kill it with fire. I'd rather have bird flu than have a tower on my boat...or any boat for that matter.

P71_CrownVic wrote: Hussler wrote: Anyways, from my experience all power boaters must stand together, like it or not. We won by a very small margin. Look up "tread lightly", it includes any type of off road equipment because one turd can close a whole park unfortunately. That's the big issue. A few pot smoking, dough heads operating a 90K wake machine will ruin power boating for all of us. I'm all for power boats. The more power the better, the faster the better. But operators need to be courteous. I know my boat is louder than most, so early morning when going to breakfast, I keep the exhaust under the water. It's not hard to think of other people, and it takes just a little bit of effort...

But how do you regulate it?
A lot of the wakeboard boats have similar engines and similar sized hulls. Cant say no wakeboard towers or there will be plenty of Nautique owners that will have to rip them off. Alright then that wave making device on the back of that nautique, well thats pretty close to trim tabs. A ski boat and wakeboard boat are too similar plain and simple. So what then, nobody with Monster Energy hats then?

From being apart of this very fight in real life you cant split the groups. Its the same with gun laws, from my perspective, dont blame the machine, blame the handler.

The truth is, Vic, we ARE the government. Our local government will do what the people who pay taxes in the jurisdiction and the lakes association want done. Just like any boat with a cabin has been outlawed, and 4 wheelers have been outlawed, it is just a matter of time until our lake association is fed up with disrespectful people who believe nature is theirs to destroy. If you believe that the wave action on lakes of less than 1,000 acres is similar to wave action on a 56,000 acre lake, you are misinformed. We really don't want our lake to become like Lake Hartwell.



Most of us on our chain enjoy nature, clean water, fishing, and a little boating and water sports. We have never found bodies in barrels and seldom have an injury accident.

Lake Hartwell pollution

I don't mean to bust on Lake Hartwell, I am sure many people have a wonderful time there. It is not however anything like the chain I am on.

There is more to life than making water bumpy!

I think the point he's making is that as the shore line erodes, the water gets closer to his house. And if the house is built at the 75' setback, and now the shoreline is at 60', hypothetically he's no longer able to remodel his property. So yes, the impact of big wakes on the shoreline has lowered his property value. I would imagine that a variance would allow him to remodel on the existing front wall though

I've never been to Minnesota, but it seems like with a buzzillion lakes, there out to be a way to sort it out. Big lakes- big boats, little lakes-little boats, it's not rocket sceince. It shouldn't take lawyers to get rich of off it (so they can buy bigger boats)to figure it out

I grew up in an era when it was all about minimizing the impact on the water. And it wasn't something that needed an EIR. We wanted flat water to ski on, and so we did everything we could to maintain it for us and everybody else. If we wanted to be offensive we went someplace where it wouldn't bother anybody.

If it means giving up my access to the lake I boat on, in exchange for not having to deal with monster wakes, screaming 2-stroke jet ski's, tuber boats stirring up the water, and gansta rap blaring across the lake (even Lynard Skynard), then I'll sell my Correct Craft and buy a sail boat, and a few kayaks, and enjoy the peace and quiet from my deck. I will miss listening to the familiar sound of a V8 inboard motor. The only time a SBF bothers me in the morning is when somebody else has made it out to the water before me and I'm not there :-)

And Fram filters are crap, and I learned it here!