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    Posted: April-03-2013 at 2:52pm
Chris - I would run it & see what your WOT RPM is. They aren't bad props, just not latest technology.   If RPM is OK(4800-5000), start a piggy bank fund for a 2014 Acme upgrade.
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Its an OJ, looks like it might be a 12x17?

If youre looking to optimize the performance of the boat, a modern CNC prop will be worlds ahead of those hand finished wheels. If youre just looking for something to push the boat through the water, then that prop will do the job.
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Some of you were asking about the prop selection on the 176.

I forgot to take a picture of the 3blade that's on the boat now, this one came as an extra.

Anyone know if this is a good prop for this boat/engine combo?

I'll get some info on the 3 blade friday.





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Thanks Joel. Ill try not to get to the screws and if I do maybe ill just borrow Quinner's skis until they wear down.

I started putting an Allen wrench on the manifold bolts that aren't corroded badly. I'm letting the bad ones sit until this weekend with a ton of penetrating oil on them.

Ill be in Mexico for the next few days so I'm hoping to bring warm weather back to the Midwest with me so I can continue the countdown to launch.

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Any luck gettting those manifolds loose and off?

EDIT: I now see your other post concerning removing the manifolds.

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Nice! Careful with the sanding. You don't want to expose the ends of the screws, which can scratch boards and skis.
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I haven't updated in a while but I was able to do some work on the boat last week.

Replaced the impeller, distributer cap, rotor, and I pulled the swim platform off for a side project while I'm waiting for parts.

It was pretty rough when I got it off. It looks like someone used polyurethane at one point but it was so old that it cracked off. There were traces of it in the cracks between the boards.

I used the starbrite kit that comes with cleaner, brightener, and oil. Got it for $30 at the local outdoor world. In addition i had a rotary sander, a 3D sander, and lots of reps with a sanding block.



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This is after an entire afternoon of sanding.




Here it is after the cleaner and brightener were used.




After one application of Teak oil. There will be many more applications to follow but I'm letting it soak for the week while I'm at work.
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Thanks Mark!!!

I am certainly interested in the Bimini and possibly a cover as a spare. Give me a call sometime.
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That's a sweet 176. Glad it found a great home. Looks like you already have a cover but if you're in the market for a bimini I have a grey one that will no longer fit on my 176. If you're interested let me know, it's just taking up room in my garage now.
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Originally posted by Frankenotter Frankenotter wrote:

He seemed like a pretty normal guy to me.


Don't believe the hype, his bark is a lot worse than his bite.
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Yea your not kidding Chris. I'm just blurring my eyes on purpose when I look at the trailer.
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You forgot rocket cars and sleds quinner. Yea I guess I might not be on the proper side of normal myself. I find it more comfortable on the dark side. Not as many rules.

I have my insurance coming out to check the manifolds and see if they will cover it with my "freeze coverage". Beyond that:

Steering cable on the way, cap and rotor, impeller, o-rings, and gaskets as well. Next few weekends are going to get busy as hell. I think it should all be done by the end of the month.

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Yea, you mean the "he seemed like a nice guy but kept to himself" post murder news interviews done with yellow tape and spotlights in the background.
And the Wisconsin comment, well, hey dar to you, we're proud to be north of the cheddar curtain, don't ya know!
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Originally posted by Frankenotter Frankenotter wrote:

they are always described as "normal".



Normal compared to what, that total freakshow you guys got going on up there; Pilot's, Skydivers, former Military and the mere fact you are in Wisconsin!! Can you say "One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest".

LOL, was good meeting you Chris! Was impressed how quickly she fired up and never stopped running. You Definitely have some work ahead to get everything back in shape however at least now no big surprises.

Looking forward to a ski behind that boat, so get er done!!
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Yea I was prepared for the worst after all the CQ stories I've been hearing. He seemed like a pretty normal guy to me. However, I guess that's how murderers lure their prey in. On the news they are always described as "normal".

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Chris,
Are you sure CQ came up and helped? I didn't notice any CL empties in the videos!


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Nice looking boat, it's only money.
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sounds good    just gotta wait for that snow to melt! :)   Brrrrr.
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I just uploaded a video of the engine running.

Short but sweet.


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Yea I don't like the looks of those either now that you say it.

Do all the PCM 351 model engines use the same manifilds?

If I buy used off of someone, how can I make sure they're the correct ones?

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+1 on Tim's Osco assessment. I have an old pair from my 70 Ford 302. I believe they weigh as much as a bare block and are as attractive as a manure spreader on you swim platform.
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No used manifolds here. Ja chamberlain and SkiDIM both have reasonable prices on genuine PCM manifolds. Those oscos would do the job (not 100% sure they'd mate up to your risers, but most likely would) but they sure look crappy.
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Somebody around here (TRBenj, storm34, Reidp, Alan, etc.) has got to have a set of manifolds laying around from an upgrade or from one of their 10 boats.


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Anyone know if these are the same/equivalent manifolds?

Quality?

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Electrical stuff is one of my stronger areas of knowledge. I can get it all working but its just a time consuming process. I don't mind doing it at all.

The engine sounded like a gasoline powered T-Rex. Beautiful. There was some vibration in the lower RPM range but nothing to be worried about yet.

This poor girl has just spun for the first time in years and I think everything needs to settle in again before I start tinkering.
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Sorry to hear the manifolds are cracked, but not surprised. Be aware that the tranny cooler & U tube are also susceptable to cracking, since the PO was kinda clueless about winterizing.

You might want to clean any & all electrical connections in the dizzy, including the clamping plate (at base). I have heard of grounding gremlins from such corrosion.

How did it sound, once you got it started?



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Thanks Joel!! You're more than welcome to jump on the boat when it's up and running!

As for today’s progress.......we have The Good, The Bad, and The Terrible.

Quinner took the time to come up and waste his Saturday to help me get this thing started. I can't thank you enough.

The Good--------WE GOT IT STARTED!!!!!!

Quinner pulled the impeller while I lubed the heads and turned the engine a few times. After this I connected the battery and turned the key........click.......then smoke. The engine didn't even try to turn over. I played with some wires and tried it again and noticed the positive battery cable was arcing. The wires had separated just enough to cause a sort inside the cable. We did our best to get it back together for a hail marry pass.

This time the little guy fired right up, coughed a bunch of black stuff out the pipe, and started idling nicely. It sounded really nice.

The impeller (getting replaced).



The Bad----------I took one step forward and seven steps back. I couldn't get a reading on the temp gauge, the oil pressure gauge was just pegged to full, and the fuel gauge wasn't indication correctly. There is some sort of electrical gremlin behind the dash that will require some more time.

The distributer cap and rotor will need to be replaced for sure. It's like the magical world or corrosion.




The Terrible--------------The manifolds are cracked. When we got it running they started leaking right away. Not a lot of volume but a pretty constant drip. I knew they were REALLY REALLY corroded, however, after running the engine they took on an entirely different shape and color. The pictures speak for themselves.





******If anyone knows where I can find a used set of manifolds, PLEASE let me know so I can sleep at night.

Quinner........thanks again bud!!!!! Beer is on me.
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Chris, I like your style and that boat is a great find. This thread has been a great read.

That rear fuel tank area is just screaming for a pressure washer. It's satisfying just thinking about blasting that stuff out of there.

As "rather northern IL'er" (Libertyville) I hope to see the boat in person soon!

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Thanks Andy!

Yea it's definitely a project but I guess relatively speaking, others have done waaaaaay more than I have to. I'm very happy to have saved this little hot rod from its very shallow grave.

I did fly the seaplanes in the VI. I was based in St. croix for the last 5 years. Ill post some pics.
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Chris,
I too am a member of the "picked up a used red,black,white ski nautique 6 hours away with a 4 runner that needed a deep clean and full service right off the get go club".

I am surprised at the rust on manifolds and general neglect of your boat, especially considering how nice your hull and interior appears. I was also surprised your boat doesn't use the standard FL-1A oil filter. Sounds like you got a good deal and a good project! Along with the tune up I would replace the impeller right off the bat, I'll bet it is shot!

Was also looking at your sea plane shots... did you fly them down in the VIs?     

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