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fanofccfan
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I can see where the bonus pictures and the super long poles work together really well!!!
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Sweet, all of it...
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kapla
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i like it!
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ta da
Bonus pictures! What's SUP ??? |
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GlassSeeker
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yep I'll fix it...Footin' Friday! Sunny 80 little wind should be good for pics. 4 footers.
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hey andy you still in picture debt!!! lol
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GlassSeeker
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My standard pylon is 27 inches off the floor so when barefooting off the standard pylon the rope goes down from your hands to the pylon.
After skiing on the 12 foot pole I have moved it down to standard pylon and it "seems" like the rope does go under the boat! |
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if the position of the rope does not affect how "light" you feel on the water, I'd like to try an underwater attachment.
In all seriousness, theres different forces involved in the above scenario. The tension of the rope provides a combination of 2 forces, horizontal and vertical. A low pull provides mostly horizontal force, and as you raise the height of attachment, vertical forces are increased. Whether that increase in vertical force is felt by the skier is subjective and depends on a lot more factors that I'm sure most non physicists/engineers are aware of. |
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That's what I love about these high school girls man.
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Foot_Fungus
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Speaking of mathematics depending on which 2 you choose I'd wonder if their avg. age was over 17.4 lol. |
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GlassSeeker
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It will be this one from the beginning of the thread. Probably set up exactly like it is here.
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I've been a slacker with my camera lately but the Double Stack has worked just fine, easy to set up and take down, looks decent, satisfies my friends who ski on tower extensions.
As I understand it one of the towerless boats at Nationals this year will be outfitted with a double stack. |
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skutsch
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I ski with one of them in the picture too(not the same two as Hollywood)
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Look at Billy Nichols endurance record, low pole, 2 hours and 45 minutes...
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Now Those girls are more than 17.4% lighter LOL
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You are certainly entitled to your feel, but the free body diagram doesn't lie. I already threw the FBD I drew with the trigonometry in the recycling bin. An experienced footer going as fast as you do just might not feel it.
I ski from a variety of heights and line lengths. Come ski 90' from the waterline with me... You might feel a difference. When I need to get my DXII SFH fix I ski with 2 from this picture. |
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I feel lighter. I notice that I can foot farther, or the same distance with less fatigue, when using a higher tow point. Thats just physics. Hopefully Joe will draw a free body diagram for us... Im a little rusty.
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I think the math is fuzzy, get out there and barefoot on the high pole and then tell me how much "lighter" you are on the water.
I don't feel lighter. There is some low pole footing in here, some SN wake crossing(treacherous) and alot of footing. I owe tons of thanks to Roy for putting all the videos up on the tube. |
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So what your saying is to make things equal, when I foot next to HW his line should be tied to the underside of the platform and mine should be on the super fly me higher!!
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I went ahead and assumed line tension to be equal to the skier's weight. This calculates to a 17.4% lightening effect skiing a 75' line 4m off the water (which is ~10 degrees).
weight loss = line tension x (pull height/rope length) |
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Its a small amendment to enhance the sport. Kind of like surfers who go out and buy a $130,000 boat and then add a $3000 NSS to enhance a 10 mph, stand there on a board like a lump, sport. Well, no, maybe its not like that at all. |
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Because they want to sell you a tower and an extension for 3000.
2 together is rickety enough, 3 or 4 it would be leaning over. |
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Not to throw a wrench in here but if a 12' fly high is so great why then do they not sell one? Why not add 3 or 4 together if higher is better. If you got the rope high enough I bet your feet wouldn't even touch the water. Thus another new trick!
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I may add a cable or two along the length, but we watched that and tested that mid towpoint too and it did not move. I think we will get out tomorrow and I will take pictures at least if not video. |
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Outboards are bouncy compared to inboards. It's surges on the end of the line which is worse with stretchy rope and skiing backwards.
Willie told me that when we put Mike Corral (250lbs)out there it was going to stand my Sanger DX inboard up and then bounce up to speed. I just laughed and said "It ain't no Malibu Willie" as Willie accelerated even with a 12ft pole the Sanger jumped immediately on plane and took off no bounce. |
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Please be wary of the using mid-attachment point - the mast sections could buckle without cable support there.
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my guess would be that the rope is not inclined enough to reduce the skiers weight on the water by even 1 pound.
I've skied it enough to know too. here's 245 feet of rope drooping while I ski on it. |
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As long as there is tension in the rope the answer is yes. You would need to calculate the drag (probably impossible to do), measure the tension in the rope (much easier) or measure the stretch of the rope (with known properties) under such skiing condition to get a close enough answer. You get me one of these 3 and ill do the math!
The answer is absolutely yes Andy. |
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A general statement skiers have made is that it feels like it adds 2 mph
I'd say it feels like it increases your margin of error (Barefooting is always skiing on the edge of disaster) I think the place I notice it the most is front one foot wakes feel "safer" |
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I'm not aware of the exact details but during a race last year or year before Chuck lost a finger to the rope somehow.
Please then do the physics and tell me if a 75 foot rope hooked to a 4M high pole is able to reduce the 150lbs of the skier's weight and by how much. |
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