1988 BFN - PCM 454 tune up |
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tbeard
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Revive this old thread.........I just purchased another 1989 BFN that needs the same tune up as my old 88 BFN did. CCFan imembers are an awesome resource. Thanks..
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Thanks.......Tom
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tbeard
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I talked to Performance Distributor this morning and they were great! They mentioned that there is more work required than just changing the camshaft gear. So I am returning the distributor today for a no charge mod. Nice to have support when I screw up:)
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Thanks.......Tom
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phatsat67
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Perfect! Can happen even on a bran new carb.
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TX Foilhead
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Just curious, but would that distributor just need a different gear? Everything else should work the same.
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TRBenj
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Whoops, should have given you the heads up on this one. Most reverse rotation chevies use standard rotation distributors. They can do this because the cams spin opposite if the crank (sometimes referred to as "standard rotation reverse fire"). I assumed you had already put it on- you're going to love the way the boat performs even more very soon! |
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tbeard
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Andy I did front wakes with a std hi fly pole (7 foot I think) this past weekend. I helped alot along with a improved wake. I will look at that Double Stack.
I have decided Not to sell the BFN now that it performs like a Competition Barefoot boat |
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GlassSeeker
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Yep I saw, and I think you have it pretty dialed in now. Good job on staying focused and not getting frustrated (if you did it didn't show) your results appear outstanding.
Tom you might consider the Double Stack / SFH feels like it adds 2 mph and you will be 17.4% lighter without even going on a diet. It's the cheapest 2 mph you will ever buy. Get the high, med, and low pull with no tower needed. |
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tbeard
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Thanks Tim....
I just received my DUI in the mail from Performance Distributor. I ordered a distributor for a reverse rotation marine engine. Pulled the points distributor out of the 454 and it is not a reverse rotation distributor :( My motor is a reverse rotation 454 but the old dist is for a standard rotation motor. Amazing I will call Performance Distributor in the morning. |
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TRBenj
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Tom, just saw your message- looks like you're in business! You don't mess around, ha.
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tbeard
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Thanks for the support
Yes Andy I am ready to get back out there now that the boat will run faster than 41MPH. Did you see the post with the new Acme? 48 MPH wth 1 passenger...very cool Plus much improved wake.... |
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GlassSeeker
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itchy feet
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Hollywood
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You sure to take care of business fast!
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cphase
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Great news Tom!
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Bri892001
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Nice
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tbeard
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Installed the old needle and seat and boat runs like a new one. Unbeliveable.......Thanks to everyone for providng support.
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Thanks.......Tom
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tbeard
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I tried to blow through the new one with the bowl turned upside down. No air would pass through. I am nstalling the old one a see what happens. |
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C-Bass
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Chalk me up for one who had a bad one right from the rebuild kit. I took it apart and recleaned it but it still dripped out the primary. I ended up doing just what Tim said, and put the old needle/seat back into the carb and the issue went away. |
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phatsat67
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Learned that working on sled carbs. A needle and seat is a very strong seal when machined properly.
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cphase
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Man I am glad to know I am not the only one to do that. |
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phatsat67
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Usually if you flip the bowl upside down with no float on it and you can't physically blow through the needle and seat it's ok but if you can blow through it at all with just pressure from your mouth than it't for sure bad.
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hotboat
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Easier to just change float level I would think, running a wedge or not?
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Brian
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cphase
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Below is a good pdf for parts and part numbers for a 4160 if any one is interested:
Exploded view and description of Model 4160 Carburetor |
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TRBenj
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Yep, thats how I'd proceed.
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tbeard
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With the bowl inverted I lowered the float to meet the .140 spec.
I guess next step is to pull front bowl .... Do a inspection....and install the old needle/seat? |
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phatsat67
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I had to swap out an old needle and seat on an 86 we had in the shop with a new one because it was just flooding fuel out of the boosters when the engine would run.
I have also found many times rebuilding snowmobile carbs that the new needle and seats were faulty. I got to the point of if they weren't leakin from the bowl vents I would re use the old needle and seats because I was tired of taking fresh carbs apart again and cleaning fuel out of the belly pans. |
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cphase
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Needle/seat is a good start for the drip, you may need that float a little less than parallel when looking at the bowl inverted.
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TRBenj
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Did you lower or raise the float?
There have been reports of bad Holley needle/seat combos right out of the box- both in rebuild kits and brand new carbs. You may have gotten one of them. If your old one didnt drip, you have the option to throw it back in there and see if it corrects the issue. I'd be on the horn with whoever sold the rebuild kit if it does! |
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tbeard
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During the rebuild I removed the float and needle assembly. The Holley instructions had a spec for my carb float height of .140 inch...orignally it was set above .200 inch. I used a .140 drill bit as a gage and slowley bent the tab of float until it was set correctly. My carb is a internal float setting. I also replaced the needle assembly with the new ones I received in the kit. |
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phatsat67
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That would explain the black smoke. I've seen a lot of carbs leaking fuel from the front boosters causing run problems. A lot of times you can diagnose that without even taking the flame arrestor off by listening to the carb and hearing the drips be sucked by the butterflies every few seconds.
At idle it should have a smooth suction sound with no breaks in the sound if you get what I mean. I have another carb off a boat that ran properly other than leaking fuel from the boosters. I am going to go through that one and see if the idle circuits work better than the one on my carb. Could be something plugged up in the body too. I paid a shop to rebuild it back when I was younger and not confident if I kenw what I was doing inside of a carb. |
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phatsat67
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My rule of thumb has always been the more closed the butterfiles are at idle the better.
Motors with big camshafts like to hang up on idle if the butterflies are opened to far. My idle screws are non responsive and will not stall the engine even though the thing runs properly. No vac leaks to speak of. The old PCV was pulling to much vac and making it idle high. New PCV and that was solved. I need to order a new metering block for the front to fix my problem. The idle screws have to be waaaaayyyy out to make it start with the key and no pumps. It idles at about 400-500 steady rpms bunked in the trailer and about 700-800 under way. 800 out of gear. |
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