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    Posted: July-30-2016 at 1:41pm
Thanks for all the input! I gave up trying to loosen my steering cable yesterday after days of drowning it in WD40. I removed the old cable and took it in to find a replacement. No one seemed to be able to find a match until finally the parts guy said" They haven't put quick disconnect ball joints on steering cables for years! They outlawed them long ago because the ball would break off and cause crashes". An adapter for both cable ends upgraded my equipment and I was off! Even the stupid questions and answers are great for us first timers. And thanks for tuning down the sarcasm....haha. BTW....i have started changing out all the fuel and electrical part on this boat motor with common sense safety in mind for sure. If I want a boat, why have one I worry about constantly if it's safe right? I just got married this year. I want to keep her around for as long as i can! That means keep her safe as well as happy!
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Because the boat is under your engine, as opposed to in a car where there is the ground under your engine you have to worry about the heavier than air gas fumes that accumulate.   You need to first minimize those fumes, and secondly avoid making sparks that can ignite the fumes that cannot be minimized.

A marine carb, besides be tuned for the constant load of marine use is build to dump any extra fuel into the engine and not out side of the carb where it will puddle in the bilge and make fumes.

Marine distributors have to be built to contain the sparks they make and any explosions they may ignite.     But also they do not have a vacuum advance because the engine is under a constant load.   They need to utilize only a centrifugal advance in order to make the engine perform optimally. Just capping off the vacuum advance port on most automotive distributors will not provide you with enough total advance to make the engine perform optimally starting, off idle and through the top end.
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Fuel leak /overflow protection on the carb/fuel pump/etc, spark suppression on the dist/alt/starter.

The bilge is sealed, unlike a car- makes it very easy for fumes or leaked fuel to combine with a spark and blow the top off
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Ya, so I'm not into driving bombs... I have the original carb I can go back to and for my own sanity I am sorry to ask the stupid question, but what's the difference in what I have and the marine parts that converts it back and forth from usable to self exploding?
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Rick,
I too don't like commenting on the use of non marine rated items. Earlier in this thread the automotive distributor was described:
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

. For those who may not know the difference, the one shown is an automotive since it has a vacuum advance. It's the round diaphragm chamber on the side. Marine units are mechanical advance.

I'm very sorry that you ether ignored the description or hopefully just missed it. The bottom line is your engine may be running on the hose but it WILL NOT perform properly under load on the water. The other issue is you will be driving a potential BOMB!!!

Should we move onto what carb is on the engine??

BTW, don't be fooled that the cooling system is working. The pressure from the hose will mask problems. Find the "bucket test" thread in the FAQ's.

Also, I'm glad you found the icon of the tree with the up arrow!


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Originally posted by rilee29 rilee29 wrote:

since I am not savvy enough to do the pics, the distributor is a Proform part # 67040. I installed it today and we have the baby breathing again! Sounds awesome! I am pretty sure the block is a reman, but with the HEI and the 750 Summit carb, it is very responsive. Had to rebuild the water pump today also. I don't seem to be getting the water flow where it should be though. I am using one of those plunger looking gismos on the underside of the boat . the attached hose goes to both the pump inlet and the oil cooler. I have seen some pretty clean looking setups on the internet and tried to make sure mine was the same, but who knows if they are correct....


I suppose the good news is that it runs but the bad news is that the distributor isn't a marine certified unit and the carburetor if it's one of the Summit label Holley knockoffs isn't either.

You can search on here or do a Google search about marine carbs and distributors to see what the differences are.

I like to stay out of conversations about people using non marine parts and why it was OK in their mind to use it or "convert" something though,

I figure you'll get some opinions for sure though.

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click on the tree with the up arrow, then choose the picture you want.

Sorry, but I am not seeing any trees on the controls of this site. Geographically speaking, where are those controls?
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since I am not savvy enough to do the pics, the distributor is a Proform part # 67040. I installed it today and we have the baby breathing again! Sounds awesome! I am pretty sure the block is a reman, but with the HEI and the 750 Summit carb, it is very responsive. Had to rebuild the water pump today also. I don't seem to be getting the water flow where it should be though. I am using one of those plunger looking gismos on the underside of the boat . the attached hose goes to both the pump inlet and the oil cooler. I have seen some pretty clean looking setups on the internet and tried to make sure mine was the same, but who knows if they are correct....
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

A 318 Chrysler doesn't have a gear on the distributor, the gear stays in the engine and there is a slot on the top.

KenO


Wow, I did not know that. Very cool.

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Originally posted by rilee29 rilee29 wrote:

How do i get pictures on here from my phone? Cut and paste option doesn't seem to exist?


Well its easier to do on comupter, but click on the tree with the up arrow, then choose the picture you want. Like I said it's easier to put the photos on your computer and upload load them from there.

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Ken,
Just so you don't have to further describe male shafts fitting into female slots, here's the picture:





Thanks Pete

You could have at least shown a marine distributor though

No problem Ken.
I did try to find a picture of a marine but none I could find showed the shaft end. For those who may not know the difference, the one shown is an automotive since it has a vacuum advance. It's the round diaphragm chamber on the side. Marine units are mechanical advance.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Ken,
Just so you don't have to further describe male shafts fitting into female slots, here's the picture:





Thanks Pete

You could have at least shown a marine distributor though
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How do i get pictures on here from my phone? Cut and paste option doesn't seem to exist?
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Ken,
Just so you don't have to further describe male shafts fitting into female slots, here's the picture:





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A 318 Chrysler doesn't have a gear on the distributor, the gear stays in the engine and there is a slot on the top. The end of the distributor shaft has a short male stub on it that fits in the female slot. Kinda like..........well never mind. Bound to get some comments on that description.

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Is your distributor branded DUI?   several guys have converted to them, and they seem to be a good alternative to standard Distributors.   I hope it all goes well for you.   Post up some pictures of what you picked up
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Originally posted by Donald80SN Donald80SN wrote:

If you do have a Reverse Rotation Motor, the gear on the distributor will have to be different for the Reverse Rotation. Maybe you are planning on this. .

Yup, it's a RR:
Originally posted by rilee29 rilee29 wrote:

So the starter spins the motor ccw.looking at it from the front. .


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If you do have a Reverse Rotation Motor, the gear on the distributor will have to be different for the Reverse Rotation. Maybe you are planning on this.

I grew up with a 72 Martinique with a Ford 302 Holman Moody motor that my Uncle owned on White Lake NC. They sold the boat in 1980 and I would love to find it, but I probably need to be careful what I hope for.
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Well sooner or later somebody will ask if it's a marine distributor so it might as well be sooner like right now.

Is it a marine distributor?
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so patience does pay off! On a classified add site yesterday and snagged an HEI conversion distributor (brand New) for $50. Any comments pro or con to using one of these? Seems like a great idea me being a GM guy. I am hoping to create some confidence and longevity in this boat running and not leaving me stranded....lol Besides, I can take back the $63 in parts I just bought for the old ignition system.
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Test light was resting about an inch from the distributor wire on the case when I turned the key to the run position. Within seconds I started to see smoke at the ballast too so I shut down and disconnected the distributor wire. Everything was OK then. I assumed the wire was shorting internally in the distributor. I have a dvom. You guys are awesome to even take the time to brainstorm with me! Thanks a ton!
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Rick,
When you're out, get that VOM so you can do some decent testing and not just start throwing parts at it. We'll guide you through it.

When you get that test light to light up, where exactly are you touching the probes? Also, is that with the ignition switch turned to the run position?


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I'm still struggling to understand a bit of it myself. The points and condenser are new. They were installed by the previous owner who owned Taylor Marine in Salt Lake. Obviously the smart ones had trouble too. I bought a new coil and ballast last night and that's when I noticed the magic leaking. Test light lighting was an accidental find but in any case, everything got shut down. I know power to the casing should not happen so I am looking for a electronic conversion plate for the distributor. I hate hunting down 50 year old problems. Off to the parts house again......btw...I have a wiring schematic so wiring has all been checked by me and another person for correctness. I'll post later when I find parts.
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Rick,
The body of a distributor is grounded to the block.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by Dreaming Dreaming wrote:

So maybe my ignorance is showing out a bit here, but I have never heard of having a distributor body light up a test light before.    How can that be possible?   

Kris,
It's got me confused as well. It's got to be the way Rick described it??


i could say something like "this should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer" but I'd be lyin".

It wasn't much of a description of how he did this, but it's coming from the battery one way or another.

I guess he'll probably have a better description coming along soon though.
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Originally posted by Dreaming Dreaming wrote:

So maybe my ignorance is showing out a bit here, but I have never heard of having a distributor body light up a test light before.    How can that be possible?   

Kris,
It's got me confused as well. It's got to be the way Rick described it??


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So maybe my ignorance is showing out a bit here, but I have never heard of having a distributor body light up a test light before.    How can that be possible?     Seems to me that the light would flash on momentarily if the spark was jumping to ground if there was a problem with the internals of the distributor, but that would also suggest that touching the distributor during cranking would give you one nasty surprise.   If the light lights when standing still (which is what it sounds like to me from your description above), I might be tempted to think your battery positive and negative are reversed...   If the positive was going straight to the engine block, it seems like you would get this result.   Since this is an old boat without electronic parts, You might be able to do a positive "ground" without having to send parts back to the factory to have the smoke reinstalled .    Seems like this would make the starter spin backwards too and without having much power.   If I am totally off base, I would love to be educated.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Sounds to me like a good inspection of the distributor wire from the coil negative terminal where it enters the distributor

Yes, I have found this wire frayed where it goes through the distributor body causing a continuous grounding of the coil.

I also suggest taking a step beyond the test light and getting a VOM. Inexpensive meters are around $25 and will tell you much more.


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Sounds to me like a good inspection of the distributor wire from the coil negative terminal where it enters the distributor and replacement of at least the points and condenser would maybe solve your problem.

And making sure you have a distributor body ground to the engine

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