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63 Skier
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Posted: January-16-2014 at 2:33pm |
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Wow, that would surprise me as well. Or, maybe the case failed as discussed here, the oil drained out, which caused it to seize and break the shaft. I guess no way to know now! |
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todicus
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They told me the main shaft broke, but I'm not sure I believe the story.
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bkhallpass
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Is this the same issue that Tim D referenced above? BKH |
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todicus
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I own a 2007 Tahoe LT 4x4..... Great towing, comfort, ride except for one thing.........
Transmission has been replaced twice ( under warranty ). Transfer Case went out last summer on my way back from Lake Pillsbury with 3 kids, dog and wife 2 hours from home. Got stranded in Ukiah and had to leave my truck and boat at the dealer for 2 weeks to get it replaced. had 90k miles, but failed after 5 year warranty, so GM would not cover it ( I did file a claim and it took them 3 months to say no ). $2,100.00 out of my pocket for a part that GM has TSB's out to fix. I'm over it now..... haha |
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I agree that the outgoing LTZ looks better at this point, but I'm sure I could/will get used to the 2015. The improvements for the 2015 model would make me hold out for a 2015. Quieter, smoother ride with better fuel economy and fold-flat third row seats make the difference for me. |
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Tim D
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Yeah, the area behind the 3rd row on the Sequoia is pretty much useless.
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New 2015 Tahoes look nice 2015 Tahoe. I might prefer the outgoing LTZ more in the looks department. Definitely worth taking a gander at GM when the time comes.
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bkhallpass
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Uh Huh. Don't think I said your claim was not true. I said avoiding GMs because of this potential issue, is Bull. Toyota has experienced many well documented issues including accellerators that stick, airbag issues, and steering cable issues. Those apparently did not keep you from buying Toyota, and would not prevent me from doing so either. Neighbor has a Sequoia with over 150K, which has been relatively trouble free. Has less room than my Yukon XL, and gets worse gas mileage. He knows that and will probably buy another Toyota anyway. Whatever works. BKH |
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63 Skier
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I can't believe you pulled your transfer case and made that fake video all to try to prove your point.
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Tim D
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No, No, it's total bullspit. I made it up. Here's a video showing the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj5ZS8wOmNk |
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bkhallpass
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Well, hoping my new found knowledge of this potential issue won't prove to be a jinx My well used 2001, and brother's well used 2004 have not experienced this issue. Knock wood. BKH |
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When I saw Tim D's post, and never hearing about that problem before, I looked for info on it. There's tons of info, but I couldn't tell if it ended in 2007 or not, seemed like most of the problems were before that. It's documented as a plastic retainer clip breaking and causing the pump to rotate slightly and eat a hole in the case. The fix is a metal clip installed in the case to keep the pump from moving.
Not that I plan to stay away from GM, just thought I'd mention the problem really exists. |
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GlassSeeker
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Love my 99 Yukon. Bought with 20k miles on it...officially branded a lemon law buyback, it's been great for the last 130k miles. Paid 20k back in 2000.
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quinner
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Agree the above statement is total BS, Guy's a tool
And that proves it, LOL |
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bkhallpass
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Really, My Yukon XL just hit 210K Miles. Now needs a brake change for the second time Power steering shaft broke once. Other than that, nothing but routine maintenance. Just drove it to Tahoe this weekend. 70 to 80 mph, uphill into the Sierra Nevada Mountains - 16.8 mpg up the hill. It has spent 20 to 50 days per year in the Mountains for the last 13 years with no issues of the 4WD system. My brother's Suburban is now at 190K. Similar record of reliability. Toyota's may be fine, I don't know. But to say stay away from the 4WD GMs is, IMHO, Bull. BKH |
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DeepCreekNauti
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Suburban. It holds everything and can pull it all too!
Suburban LE #1 was a 2003 and had 205,000 miles on it when I sold it. I only changed the oil (+ normal fluids) , Mass Ox Sensor and a front wheel bearing. Suburban Z71 #2 is a 2012 with 102,00 miles (yes, that is correct) and the only problem has been the Throttle Body sensor on the way to the family for Thanksgiving. Only pisser for me is the warranty is up already b/c of mileage. |
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If you really want it to tow, Excursion with a 7.3. Everything up to 03 had the 7.3 and some 03's got them as well. Quick search the other day and I found a handful that had less than 100,000 miles, and most were priced around $20000.
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Tim D
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I'm a Toyota guy, 3 4Runners and a Sequoia. I would recommend the Sequoia, never had any problems with it. Great pulling power, it weights 5,200 lbs and will get up and go, and it's more American made than the others. Stay away from the 4WD Yukon/Tahoe. The pump in the transfer case eats a hole in the transfer case, slowly looses fluid and then locks up. I know three people this has happened to.
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Joel - Keep your old vehicle & just rent a land yacht when you take the family out on the road. You will be money ahead if you count the depreciation of a new vehicle.
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JoeinNY
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I vote E, rock that 4 runner till the wheels fall off and retire 2 years earlier! After that... I find that the tahoe drives like a much smaller vehicle than either the expedition for the sequoia... but havent had to deal with any of the latest models for more than a day or two of rental car usage. However in terms of feel not much difference between the last gen tahoe and expedition and the various ones I have owned. The reality is the expedition is a three row seat vehicle, and the tahoe is a nice, big, capable two row seat vehicle that you can put a third row into but a lot of time you will wish you had left it home. The next generation of tahoe is due out in a bit, if you rocked the current vehicle for 2-3 more years you would have the choice of upgrading to a lightly used next gen if you like it and the early reports of reliablity are favorable, or getting into one of the last years of the current gen which will likely be depreciating fast due to the release of the new model. - BTW, We had 5 kids in my family and none of our station wagons ever had a third row seat. |
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you got me beat Gary...only spent 33.5 years sleeping in mine..but after driving them all I gotta agree with the way you got 'em rated. BTW..10 years today..last time I pulled outa the Lorain Rd garage..wow did that go fast! john |
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63 Skier
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Joel, that's one you'll have to answer yourself! The question is how much the added room and newer vehicle is worth to you vs. saving the money. If you are skiing behind a 2001, do you need to spend the money to buy a 196 or a new boat? The wake is so much better, but then again you CAN ski just fine behind the 2001.
I was making a similar decision, was driving a very nice 2003 Durango and having a hard time deciding to spend the money on a newer SUV. It took probably a year of off and on thinking about it until I felt like I really wanted the upgrade, and I've had no regrets at all about spending the money. |
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Bones71
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Call the Suze Orman show payments suck but interest rates are good right now. If it's a good deal and you get a good rate and don't finance too long it is not too bad buying something new.
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As I'm mulling this over I'm now, in a "fairly rare" bout of rational thought, thinking about option E. which is just keeping the nearly-perfect, long-paid-for, single owner, totally pampered and over-maintained existing car. Sure it has no 3rd row and sure it's a bit tight on road trips but when I was a kid my family got by just fine in the 80's with 3 kids and a station wagon for crying out loud. Drove across the country like that and we did just fine. Do I really need a new SUV or do I need a change of perspective?
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jbach
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my wife has a sequoia, it's been an awesome vehicle. i have a tundra, it's been an awesome vehicle. sequoia has 160K, drives like new, tundra has 100K, drives like new. batteries, tires, oil, filters, repeat.
i don't think you can really go wrong with any of your choices though. |
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Not sure about the interior of the Sequoia but it is built on the same platform as the Tundra. I have had zero issues with my Tundra and the power plant has tons of power and tows like a dream. Think the Sequoia is rated around 7.5K towing with the 5.7 I-Force. Toyota reliability is what sold me on Toyota over Ford and Dodge. Have not owned the Tahoe ore Expedition so can't comment on those. Our next vehicle the wife wants the Sequoia cause she loves the Tundra but I never let her drive it.
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Gary S
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I'm in no hurry but I have been starting to look too,as we now have 2 vehicles per family member and something needs to be done.I am leaning toward an Avalanche as I like their look. If it wasn't for the poor seats in the Lincoln,I'd just keep using it,in my case for what I have invested in it no car or truck can match it.
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63 Skier
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Oh, sounds like my bad on that one, I've never seen that setup. Mine are a 2-part bench that has 3 sets of seat belts.
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David I will look closer, my 3rd row is 2 separate seats with a built in console in each chair, rarely have them in the truck, only when needed.
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63 Skier
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Quinner, take a closer look at that 3rd row seat, it seats 3, belts and all. So, with 2nd row captains you seat 7 total, with 2nd row bench like I have you seat 8. I had to search a bit to find a used LTZ with the rear bench, most have captains chairs. I like the bench for exactly what you mention, can seat 3 kids and still have the 3rd row folded or removed. |
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