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Bri892001
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Ok, cool.
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rrichr
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That's correct. My boats actual circuits are different but this module, yes.
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Bri892001
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So, it was a breaker in this unit, right? I just want to get my facts straight, I'll post this fix to the GT-40 thread:
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rrichr
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It was not even that difficult. The breakers are integrated and it just needed to be reset.
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jhersey29
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Awesome!!!! Glad you found it. Did you put a new breaker in? Mine is currently at the machine shop and I am slowly working my way through rust removal on parts using Electrolysis. Fun stuff. Hope I remember how it goes back together in a few months.
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rrichr
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So education is a good thing and I have learned a lot about my boat.... All it was was the breaker in the breaker panel in the kick plate. I put the ignition boot on and cleaned up the wiring a bit near the relays. Went for 2 boat rides:)
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rrichr
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Bait killer, yes Jesus is "The barefooter" but even with Perfect pass I need that hand to drive😉
Lewy2001, built my jumper cables last night, cleaned my flame arrester, got my multi tester all ready to go to the lake. |
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baitkiller
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Dont let go of the button.
All fixed. |
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Jesus was a bare-footer.............
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lewy2001
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Yes if 12V is not present on the activation terminal 85 the relay will not engage and the engine will not start. In a standard ignition key this happens with ignition in the on position before you turn to crank the engine on the starter.
I have a set of 4 jumpers with a male and female on ends about 4"-6" long. |
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If you're going through hell, keep going
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rrichr
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So if I don't have 12v at the relay when the port led light on the keypad is green (meaning it is in start mode) I have a problem either in the keypad, PME Gateway box or the wiring between them and the relay. Is that correct?
I am going to make a set of jump wires to add to my tools, I was thinking of various lengths with one end having an aligator clip and male connector on the other end, a set that has male on one end and female on the other. Any other suggestions of combinations? ends, lengths, guage? |
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lewy2001
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Brian from the described symptoms it may be a problem with the keypad and or PME Gateway box. I do not have the circuit diagram of a GT40 with this configuration. But as they still have the same EEC and fuel pump relay I assume that operation after the keypad and PME box is mostly the same as the standard ignition key GT40.
The keypad is trigger mechanism to the PME Gateway to distribute power. Most of the electronics are inside this box. It distributes the power to the engine and throughout the boat. Test for voltage at EEC relay you should even be able to feel the relay click in and out with a finger. The 12V output from the EEC relay goes to the coil, TFI ignition module and ECM. It sounds like you are losing the activation power for the EEC relay so check terminal 85 on the relay for 12V. You will need to make up 4 short jumper wires for the relay to make testing easier with voltmeter. |
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If you're going through hell, keep going
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Bri892001
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That's a good point/question. If it puts it into limp mode, it would still let it run. So, I might be off there. |
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rrichr
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Hey, I appreciate the thought and am going to take the time to disconnect it just becuase.... I thought that switch basically told the computer if it was above 5psi and when it went below that with the boat running it would put it into limp mode. Does it do more than that?
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8122pbrainard
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Brian, Your idea would have been too easy if the problem did occur when the pressure switch was replaced! |
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rrichr
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Saturday... I have used the boat at least 5 different times since I replaced the oil pressure switch.
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Bri892001
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About when did the 'stops after letting go' problem arise?
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rrichr
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Hmmm... I replaced my oil pressure switch about a month ago. I can disconnect that and still have the analog and see if it is the problem. Thanks
I had replaced it becuase the old one failed and it would put me into limp mode. |
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Bri892001
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I agree with this check. Lewy2001 can probably speak to this better than I, but I would add your oil pressure switch to the list of things to check. When you're starting up, the oil pressure switch is over-ridden, because, you're obviously you're not going to have oil pressure until the motor is started. Once it's running, you should have oil pressure, and if the switch is saying you don't, it's going to shut things down so the motor doesn't get wrecked. |
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rrichr
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So when I am in start mode (the port side led is green on the keypad) vs. actually pushing the start button while in start mode I should have power to the coil?
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Dreaming
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it sounds to me like the 12v is powering the start cycle, but gets cut off when you go to the run mode. if you had a key ign, I would suggest that your ignition is faulty, but since it is keypad start, I suspect that it is either an electronics issue that maintains the run power, or a wire that is missing. Check for 12v at input to the ignition coil when the keypad is in the "run position" I suspect you will find 0 volts.
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rrichr
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Ordered it... free shipping:)
All though I am not too confident that it will fix this problem it will sure avoid another. I would think if continuing to push the starter button and the engine actually settling down into idle and even the PerfectPass beeping saying it is ready my guess is I am going to find the problem either in poor connection somewhere actually off the engine. Whoever worked on the boat last did kind of a messy job around the relays but it is obvious that there was some work done. I know for one thing I am going to get to know this engine and other than messing with my skiing I enjoy working on engines/boats. |
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8122pbrainard
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Distributor cover direct link |
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rrichr
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Gotcha, will try tube first and put distributor cover on the list.
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jhersey29
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A mountain bicycle tube. 26 x 2.25 or anything close. Any rubber would work to shield the module.
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rrichr
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Thanks jhersy29, will do... What is an mtb tube?
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jhersey29
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http://www.cjponyparts.com/distributor-cover-ford-5-0-1979-1993/p/DCC1/
Just push your spark plug wires on the port side towards the alternator and push the tfi-iv module wires away from the distributor to test. I found this issue using an intermittent ignition analyzer and took me a while to realize the module signal was getting really messed up by spark plug wires. You could also use a mtb tube cut in half to shield the ignition module wires. |
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rrichr
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I don't have a cover over the plug wires... I will have to get one, those have to be generic. I will put on the list, thanks!
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jhersey29
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Do you have the distributor bonnet on? I had rpm issues and shut off when the bonnet was removed and the spark plug wire was a little too close to the thick film ignition module.
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Hollywood
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In a nutshell, compare running to non-running. You shouldn't have to recreate the wheel for running, I would think the manuals available should hint at probable component failure.
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rrichr
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Thanks Hollywood,
The actual plug? From a sequence perspective, becuase it will start and run, during? after it stops? or just for continuity? |
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