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peter1234
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working around homes through the yrs it is a really great suprise when you come across a pull pipe in the attic that has some strings hanging down in the basement
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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Orlando76
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Honestly I would run 3/4 EMT from the most well thought & desired location back to a central location and leave it. Data world and cables change drastically every 7 years or so. The top system 10 years from now isn't thought of yet and I see wireless taking a giant leap, especially for television. Pipe it, and when you choose your provider have them tell you what you need, they may even run the wires for no extra cost if you have a pipe and pull string.
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Okie Boarder
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Definitely. |
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Not sure yet. If we go this route, it will only be with one builder and it would be wood we help him get as a full tear down. |
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8122pbrainard
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Good idea. Put a plaster ring at each wall location before the dry wall. |
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8122pbrainard
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Andy, Resawn or as is weathered? The as is weathered does not hold up. I did a wainscot in it and it ended up being replaced with bead board within 5 years. |
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Another thing being considered is to fully pre-wire the house for A/V, security or automation. Cat 6 and coax drops to every room and back to a central location.
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peter1234
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i have done a few walk in showers it is a no brainer ... put the valve on the walk in side opposite the shower heads if i'm explaining it right it is easy to turn it on without climbing in.. hand helds and non rain heads get used far more than rain heads and body sprays . make sure you keep the curb as low as possible 4" max . but if building new try for sunken pan so you just walk in with no curb..
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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OverMyHead
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NICE!
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
1987 Ski Nautique |
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Okie Boarder
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After some discussion with the architect and starting the initial planning, we think we are going to settle in on something around 30' deep and 35' wide. We'll probably do 10-11' ceilings and 8-9' doors.
Some other thoughts that are floating around... cedar siding (natural look) with brick or rock on bottom third. actual reclaimed barn wood for baseboard and trim 8' tall solid wood (knotty alder, pine or similar) interior doors walk in shower design with no door |
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Yep, that's the plan. |
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tullfooter
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Well Said. Could not agree more. My best friend is a builder, who builds incredible homes. He just started a 16,000sq' shack near here. He started out as a rough carpenter, and built his own house back around 1987. He still lives in that house. He kicks himself often for not doing the things then, that can't be changed after the fact. The biggest is dormer trusses over his garage. He said it might have cost him $1000 back then. I know many who regret not adding the extra course of block to add headroom to the lower level. |
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Play hard, life's not a trial run.
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OverMyHead
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When building on a budget I tell friends to think about putting your money into the things you very likely will not have the opportunity to change later. This is your big chance to foam in the walls, put radiant heat tubes in the concrete and such. Think about windows quality and size. You can upgrade the quality when they are shot in 20-30 years, but making them larger would cost a fortune in re-framing. An opening size upgrade now is only the window cost. Install and framing cost does not change much. Also your trim package, if you like heavier/taller base boards and casings invest now. Same for siding and exterior trim. Counter tops get swapped out frequently by many, but the cabinets are a much bigger deal. Tubs and showers are fairly permanent. A toilet/ sink /vanity is easy. Think through what you can upgrade latter and what you can't when ruling expenses in or out.
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
1987 Ski Nautique |
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Orlando76
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My experience is doing things by yourself or having family help out doesn't save any money but often you'll get more for your money.
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8122pbrainard
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Andy,
I agree with Peter on the costs. Dreams sometimes don't fit into reality however,keep going and decide when the time comes. I've been there! |
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That's exactly one of the key things we are keeping in mind. For example, we'll spend money on building quality that helps for a better house and more efficient. Also, we're thinking cabinets is a key area to spend a little more and get exactly what we want. Countertops may be done in the budget realm now so they can be swapped out later. Both contractors we're working with are willing to let us do some work ourselves to help on cost. We're also planning to have my father-in-law build our cabinets for us (although, not sure that will end up saving any cost). |
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peter1234
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its nothing like granite its more like slate in that it is as Pete said very porous. you may have seen old farm house sinks that are a grey black stone that is soapstone.. i bet you will do a lot of chipping off the list when you find out all the expense of even a basic new construction. its unimagineable what things cost these days.. but always build with the basics if you have to but try and make the future upgrades easily doable later.
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A lot like granite, then?
We've also been looking at the concrete counter tops and they do some great designs with those. Obviously, some of these items may be scaled back once we start talking price. For now, we're considering what all we want and once the design is reviewed and priced, we'll start chipping away at nice to have's in favor of need to have's...lol |
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8122pbrainard
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They are very porous,must be sealed and the sealer must be maintained. |
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Has anyone had experience with soapstone counters tops?
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peter1234
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I have to kiss petes butt here and agree with everything he said.......god that hurt.
in New england the only time i have seen any foam under roof in attic is on very old homes id stick with good venting and insulate attic floor . by the way blown on the attic floor may be better r value than pink stuff but it sure makes any kind of future construction or any chance of using the attic for storage or maintenence a complete mess.. |
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Yeah, it seems odd to me, but intriguing. I'd like to find out more about how they do it and what the long term results are like. He only did it a couple years ago, so the long term aspects are unknown with him. From what the guy was explaining, it sounds like his energy bills dropped by about 30%.
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8122pbrainard
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Andy, It sure sounds like he is air conditioning his attic now! Duct work can be insulated and preferred in a unconditioned space. Did his electric bill go up? ROI? Roof damage will not show up immediately after insulating the bottom of the roof deck. How long ago did he do it? BTW, I have insulated ducting in my attic and it's 0 degrees out now and dropping! |
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I'm already considering the foam in the walls, but a subcontractor we work with, for work, told me about a friend that had the inside of the roof foamed, with no insulation in the ceiling. It was a retrofit job along with changing his ducting system from the floor (which was rotted out) to the attic. They foamed the underside of the roof, and removed the standard attic insulation. I'm not sure what they did as far as venting is concerned, but it sounded like it is working well. He mentioned that the attic temperature was in the 80 degree range on a 100 degree day, versus it being 120 on 100 degree day. Interesting thought and I could see how it might be a feasible idea.
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8122pbrainard
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Todd, Your living in Florida sure helps! |
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Orlando76
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y'all are way over engineering this. I have a 2200 living sq ft house with a well and lift pump on septic and my insulation is so thin my joist sit higher.... And last month my power bill was $97 tax, tag and title. I was gonna reinsulate but at that rate, why?
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8122pbrainard
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Spray insulation is expensive especially poly foam. I investigated it when I built my shop up north. I ended up with 2x6 walls with standard fiberglass batts and insulating board sheathing resulting in a R-28. Then the attic was blown with 18" of glass resulting in a R-66. The concrete floor with hydronic was insulated with foam below as well as it's perimeter (important) resulting in a R-20. The shop is twice the size of my little cabin and the heating cost is 25% of the house. Calculating the spray foam cost VS: 2x6 walls resulted in a ROI of 21 years!! Spray foam is only beneficial when you have limited space (cavity) typically on existing construction or money to potentially waist! |
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8122pbrainard
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Besides the asphalt shingle problem, the high heat of a non ventilated roof also degrades the roof decking but also, why heat/cool an unoccupied space? |
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8122pbrainard
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You can not filter out dissolved solids (minerals). |
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jbear
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LOL...why am I not surprised? Same as in Ohio! john |
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