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    Posted: July-05-2016 at 12:58pm
Well guys, I received the new pump as soon I arrived home from work. Installed it, and BAM! Issue resolved. I had water gushing out to the thermostat. Was able to wakeboard all weekend. Ya' know, everyone raves about the SN2001 for it's superior wake at wakeboard speeds, Like I said, I had one last year... but I would say the BFN wins for wake. Not to mention, when towing a wakeboard, I am able to set my throttle position, and maintain speed. Unlike my last SN2001 and buddy's Malibu.. It feels like I have poor man's Perfect Pass.
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If you're not going to rebuild the old pump please send it my way, I'll take the risk.
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Thanks guys! Yeah, I was looking really hard at the major rebuild kit, that I found on M arine Wholesale Supply. The main reasons I went with a whole new pump, was the wear in the housing made me a bit nervous, and I didn't want to risk missing out on the weekend.

I'll be sure to post results... Hopefully in the form of a picture of the boat on the lake.
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Sherwood Pumps Manual

2011-2012 Sherwood Manual

Only took me 34 minutes, I'm getting geekier
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That's why I said the JD catalog "ain't quite right"

Just seeing the G21 and G55-2 in the same sentence was a good clue since their impellers are quite different.

I have a 2012 Sherwood maintenance and repair manual that I should be able to post a link to.

Don't remember how I stumbled into it but one of them little voices in my head seems to say that maybe Gary S had linked it once before.

It really should go into the REFERENCE section under manuals and maybe some moderator type like Hollywood can put it there.

Link to follow shortly if all goes well.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Sherwood major rebuild kit


By the way Pete,this kit you linked to is for the G21 and many other pumps but not a G55-2, The Sherwood number for the major repair kit for a G55-2 is 23977.

I'd say the Jamestown Dist catalog "ain't quite right" in their description. It's pretty obvious that the same impeller doesn't fit all the listed pumps in their description. It fits most of them but it would be real sloppy in a G55-2.

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I was going by what Jamestown had in their description which does include the G55-2.:
"It is designed to fit Sherwood pump models G15, G21, G30-2B, G30-2, G9901, G9903, G55-2, J70, and K75B."
Regarding the impeller, I'd sure call Jamestown before ordering!


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Sherwood major rebuild kit


By the way Pete,this kit you linked to is for the G21 and many other pumps but not a G55-2, The Sherwood number for the major repair kit for a G55-2 is 23977.

I'd say the Jamestown Dist catalog "ain't quite right" in their description. It's pretty obvious that the same impeller doesn't fit all the listed pumps in their description. It fits most of them but it would be real sloppy in a G55-2.
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It's obvious he wants this thing running for the 4th of July weekend and he ordered a complete pump to accomplish this.

He found somebody on the Supra forum who solved his problems with a new pump, so he's doing the same.

The seal didn't leak when he was supplying it with a garden hose.

It's his money and his decision to get the new pump
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Unless I missed it, I didn't see where anyone has mentioned the pump shaft seal. Before purchasing a new pump, I'd see if a major rebuild kit is available.


Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Cams can be worn too and the seal could be sucking air, but HW is right get a genuine impeller you will see the difference in their construction. Get that in sand spinning the correct way and let us know.


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Unless I missed it, I didn't see where anyone has mentioned the pump shaft seal. Before purchasing a new pump, I'd see if a major rebuild kit is available.


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You're the one with your eyes and hands and ears on it and when you figure you've covered all the bases you do what you did........buy a new pump. It seems like you covered everything so there was only that one option left.

Hope it works out.

The pump should turn relatively hard by hand but trying to describe how hard is hard to do.

My pump like that puts out about 4 to 5 gpm at idle with about 1 or 2 pounds of discharge pressure.

Don't forget to update this thread with the results
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Also, My pump is the same as Holywood's. Its the Sherwood g55-2. It spins CCW, so water is coming in on the right side as you face it. Just like the illustration. The pump I have primes, but does not make enough pressure to over come the rise from the outlet, to the thermostat (With thermostat end disconnected). With that being said, I don't think there is an air leak in the world that would drop that much pressure.

Water should be just gushing out at the thermostat, right?
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Lots of good input guys! I was able to find someone with the same problem on an old Supra forum thread. I just ordered the new pump, and spent the extra $40 to have it here by Friday.

So from what I gather, with the impeller in, it should be really tough to turn by hand? because mine was pretty easy, and I wasn't able to feel much suction on it.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

It's gonna be July in a few days...


Thanks HW, I'm still grinding Gel (when I can, between races)   
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So this is the old pump from the froze up engine? I suppose the PO could have ruined the pump along with the engine if nothing was drained since the pump would remain full of water when it began to freeze up. If that were the only thing preventing me from hitting the water I'd just buy the new pump and rebuild this one completely next winter. It's gonna be July in a few days...
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From his description, it sounds like they're hooked up the right way
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Comes in at 6 [from below] and leaves at 9 [towards below]. It kinda makes sense...
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Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

Originally posted by Cambodia Cambodia wrote:

The inlet hose comes in on the 3oclock side of the pump, if you're facing the front of the block. Pump spins counter clockwise with the crank. so outlet water is coming out the 9 oclock side.


Ken, but he posted this. Which pump does he have?

edit   OOPS, I think I see what you are saying now. I thought that would be at 6:00 and 6:00

That is why I wear a digital watch


I just use my phone

Looks like it comes in at about 4:15 and leaves at about 8:45
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Originally posted by Cambodia Cambodia wrote:

The inlet hose comes in on the 3oclock side of the pump, if you're facing the front of the block. Pump spins counter clockwise with the crank. so outlet water is coming out the 9 oclock side.


Ken, but he posted this. Which pump does he have?

edit   OOPS, I think I see what you are saying now. I thought that would be at 6:00 and 6:00

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His pump should look just like the one Hollywood has on the workbench

It's kinda tough to get a good picture on a 454 with the pulley in the way hiding the inlet and outlet which are basically down low and tough to see.

I took a picture of a LH hookup the other day but didn't post it because you can't see anything but the pulley in my picture.

The RH hose hookup would be like HW's diagram and the Cambodian says his are hooked up that way
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HW, Great illustration.    The RR 351 is what I was talking about. Wish he would post some pics of his setup. Mine is a cheap plastic unit (only cheap in quality, not price). I should probably replace with bronze unit, but it works for now.
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Did you have the cam out of the housing when you rebuilt it? The cam should be at 6:00 if inlet is at 3:00 and outlet at 9:00. Assuming the pulley turns CCW standing in front looking rearward. You are positive the impeller is in fact turning??
On my test stand, I just stick a garden hose in the trans cooler and it works great. Temps are perfect and I know that it has to be sucking air with the water cause the hose won't overflow when it is running but will when shut off. Granted my setup is far from perfect but it illustrates just how much suction you should have. Something is backwards on your setup.
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Well, I could not draw water out of the bucket, with a new impeller. I cant see where I would be drawing air. I am starting to wonder if it is a pump issue. Has anyone heard of the whole pump being bad? When the bearings spin well, and the shaft isn't worn?
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

No his boat used 1.25"

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No his boat used 1.25"
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Originally posted by Cambodia Cambodia wrote:

Well, I just purchased 2 Sherwood 10615 impellers for the price I paid for one Sierra knock-off. Live and Learn I guess. The thing that makes me nervous is I've used Sierra impellers before, along with fake-a-lake on my last boat (1988 SN2001) and never had these kind of issues.

If I replace the hose, do you guys have any recommendations on what kind to use?



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Well, I just purchased 2 Sherwood 10615 impellers for the price I paid for one Sierra knock-off. Live and Learn I guess. The thing that makes me nervous is I've used Sierra impellers before, along with fake-a-lake on my last boat (1988 SN2001) and never had these kind of issues.

If I replace the hose, do you guys have any recommendations on what kind to use?

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Agree x100. Ditch the fake a lake and the Sierra impeller.
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