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Hollywood
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Warm today got into the 30s.
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jbear
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you guys are just killin' me....
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Riley
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We went to a show in Brownfield Friday night and it was -12 there. We drove down a dirt road 3 miles to get there and on the way out I'm looking at all these spots where it would be easy to slide off the road thinking it would stink to have to walk out of here. John you don't know what you're missing.
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63 Skier
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Well John, you'll be pleased to hear from your warm southern home that I had to work very late tonight and drove home in -9 degrees. |
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jbear
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geez I love these threads every winter..........
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spiralhelix
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Interesting...I guess my garage holds more heat than i thought. I've never noticed the unused bottles of -50 or -75 to be solid during the winter months.
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63 Skier
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Like Ken said, don't confuse freezing with burst. It's well known that the -50 red stuff turns into slush at pretty modest temps, and then almost solid as he described. But, it doesn't freeze hard and then expand the way water would in the same conditions.
I'm considering switching to the -100 just because it sounds like there are other reasons to do so, but then again I've used the red stuff for a lot of years in a lot of boats and never had a problem, and we get some cold weather here obviously. |
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Riley
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So the minus 100 stuff freezes too? I've been buying that stuff the last few years as I figured it had a lower freezing point. Maybe filling the engine up with anti freeze and then draining it is the best way to go. I hate the thought of frozen fluid in an engine.
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KENO
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Lots of talk in this thread about RV antifreeze so I thought I'd give a good visual image of RV antifreeze after it spent a night in single digit temperatures.
The bottle was upside down in a snowbank and turned right side up to get the picture. I couldn't rotate the picture to save my life. Maybe somebody will fix it. After the discussions it shouldn't surprise anyone that it's frozen. It also shouldn't be a surprise that it doesn't expand and cause engine damage unless it gets colder than it's burst point, which for this stuff (Splash -50 RV antifreeze )was minus 50 degrees.F . According to it's MSDS sheet it's melting point is about 8.5 degrees F which would be the same as it's freezing point depending on which direction you're coming from The Splash minus 100 degree F stuff has pretty much the same melting/freezing point (about 7 degrees F) but a lower burst temp. So just because it's pretty solid doesn't mean it will cause damage................unless it's been diluted "because you didn't get all the water out before putting the antifreeze in, then it's just a crap shoot. |
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Never had it go off for over a day and radiant floor heat helped slow cooling process. But if needed I have a generator that can run the oil fired boiler. |
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TRBenj
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Or just blow it out with your mouth and skip the antifreeze.
Garden hose quick disconnects make winterizing the heater a real quick and easy process. |
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63 Skier
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If you've got a heater, disconnect that hose that is going to the engine drain. Find the other hose that feeds the heater, probably is coming off the top front of the engine somewhere, disconnect that one as well. You can blow water out with a compressor, then hold the upper hose up and pour some antifreeze into it until you see it come out the lower hose.
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MechGaT
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That hose looks like what I did when I found my heater was leaking and bypassed it. It is running from the supply to return. I never had to winterize the heater since I noticed the wet spot under the dash and rust line running out of the bottom of the heater. I removed the heater the first summer I had it.
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KENO
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No problem
Just redo the drain so you'll sleep this winter without worrying about the boat. Somebody should be along to tell how to winterize the heater if that's where that hose goes. Little slow right now |
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RadaRider
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got it. Sorry, I must have missed it before. Thanks for the clarification. It just seemed unfamiliar because of the hose connected to it.
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KENO
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Like I said in the other thread, that's the drain. Take the hose off to drain
Just make sure you drain/blow out the heater or whatever is connected there in place of the drain. |
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RadaRider
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Is this the engine block drain for the starboard (drivers) side of my GT-40? Note the hose coming out of it which leads to a brass t-fitting connected to the intake manifold. It is located directly under the front (#1?) cylinder.
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1980nautique
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Heated garages are nice until the power goes out for longer than a day |
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1980nautique
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The heated garage is nice until the power goes out for longer than a day!!!!
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8122pbrainard
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Dan,
It's always a great feeling to test and confirm a problem. I'm glad you found it. |
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63 Skier
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Nice to find the solution to the problem!
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n7narcosis
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Glad to hear you got it resolved. And thanks for sharing, now I know what to look for if I see cloudy trans fluid.
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flyweed
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just a quick update..my Trans. Cooler was indeed the culprit. did a pressure test on it, and I could actually hear a little air escaping from somewhere, with the top and bottom capped off. So, just got my new one from Skidim, and installed it. Pretty simple and straightforward..now I am going to drain Trans fluid one more time this fall, and then put it away for the winter.
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n7narcosis
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LOL! I walked straight into that one... We all grow beards up here, got to keep warm 'eh!
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quinner
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Well he is from Canada, yeah hey dere, so she is probably starting her playoff beard early |
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Hollywood
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Your girlfriend has a beard.
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JD ski
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I would agree, the color does not look right. It could be the camera, lighting or my screen. However, the color does not look right, it does not appear clear as should be. Pour a small amount of trans fluid from a new bottle into a clear container and compare color with what is in that picture, I think you will see a difference. So, your original question is do you need to replace the trans cooler. The pressure testing as suggested above would give you that answer but may be harder for you to do with the available tools. You can also go the route you are going via changing the fluid as you will have to change the fluid any how and it is cheep. Anyhow, I would change the fluid one more time if the fluid removed from the trans is not as clear as a comparison to fresh fluid in a clear container comparison. Then run the motor with out water and see if there is any change. Then add water and continue to run the motor with water attached. and recheck the fluid. If the fluid stays clean you are all good, If the trans fluid becomes milky again trans cooler repair or replacement is in order. |
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n7narcosis
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Thanks for the warm welcome and support!
I will get that synthetic out this weekend, I'll grab 6 quarts tomorrow... What would you suggest for proper trans fluid? Is there a few different options or a particular fluid that I need to search for? Once the trans mistake is corrected, I'll be sure to pull her out and drain from all the plugs not associated to the closed cooling system, including the raw water side of the heat exchanger and trans (yes, is raw water cooled) I've waited a long time to find this particular boat! Here is an image of my new girlfriend to introduce: |
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flyweed
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yep, I can see light through...I am gonna call it good for the winter. I re-fogged the engine again, since the last couple runs burned off my original fogging fluid. I will pull the trans. cooler and pressure test..other than that, it's time to wash her and wax her good and put it to bed for the winter
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63 Skier
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Dan, I'd call it good for winter and take a look at the oil again after a few hours of run time next spring. Still do the cooler pressure test though.
Hi Jason, welcome to the site! Even though you are just winterizing the exhaust side and heat exchanger I'd still attempt to drain as much water out as possible prior to adding antifreeze. So that means the strainer, risers, transmission cooler (I assume this is still fed raw water?) and of course the heat exchanger. Once water is out you can suck the antifreeze through from a bucket, won't take much since you aren't filling the block. |
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