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    Posted: April-06-2021 at 10:04pm
The winch had to go to move the boat forward to get tongue weight.  Oh well.  Marty came through with some CC decals.  Thanks Marty!

No good pics with the boat on but here is a pic of the trailer with the new decal.


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Good thinking. Looks like the better part of three feet hanging off the end.
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New 12 x 5.30 tires installed.  Basically done (we are planning to move the boat forward a bit more to get better tongue weight).  It is a nice upgrade.  


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More progress made on the trailer.  Pinstripe applied, reflectors on, tubing added.  Basically complete at this point.  Planning to order some 12" wheels and tires for it in the coming days.  Know it isn't a perfect restoration, but it makes us happy to have a renovated trailer.  




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https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Lights/Optronics/ST24RB.html

Yes the unloaded trailer at 400lbs or so will certainly fool you into thinking you have plenty of clearance... especially if those springs are old. Might want to replace them if you haven’t either way, ive even stuffed the smaller 12” into the fenders when the springs are really tired. At 50 years old, they may not have much life left in them (I’ve broken more springs than had flat tires or bearing issues combined). You’re not finding replacements locally/quickly, which can be a pain if you’re far from home.
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Thanks for the info. Where are those lights sold? Etrailer? I had not found them. I am worried about the tires rubbing. Looks to be plenty of room but once compressed it probably won’t be.
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Be aware that with those fenders, the 13” tires will rub from time to time even with brand new springs. If you haven’t replaced springs, expect those tires to rub pretty consistently (they may not last long). Everything will look fine until you get the weight of the boat on it. Your best bet would be swapping to the larger fenders that started showing up in ‘72 (flat round) or going back to 12” wheels and tires.

Not sure where you’re planning to install the reflectors, but there were round amber ones on the forward part of the frame, originally. The angled fender supports actually held lights (amber front and red rear) on the 71+ trailers if I am not mistaken (mine all have them- fairly certain they weren’t added). They make original style running lights for that spot, as well as the original round tails, in case you hadn’t seen them.
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Looking good Fellas....That is on BA workshop y'all have. I'm extremely jealous of the Man Cave you guys have got to work in. It's like the BBC Part II.
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Made a little progress on the trailer.  Added bunks and carpet, lights, and switched out wheels from our old trailer to this one as the ones on the old trailer matched (13" with triangles/baby moons).  Also took the winch off the old trailer for this one as it had a winch stand already there.  Waiting on new round orange and red reflectors and tubing for the bow stop (we do have the cross member (not pictured)) and guide posts.  That tubing is expensive Angry.




Had to take the guide posts off to staple carpet.  



Hope it will be even more complete in a week or two.
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Square fenders also a 76 change. You can’t run original style square fenders on a trailer that had round ones originally, the crossmember doesn’t extend out far enough. I guess you could do the inverse if you wanted to, might look a little weird.
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How about the transition from round fenders to the angles fenders? We have both. This first trailer is getting rounded and will prob get 13” to go with the 4 lug axle. It will hold the 78 tique for now but will be for the 72 skier once it is done. The next one we do will be for the tique so I want to get it right in my head. Will prob stay with 4 lug axle since we have them but could go with either fender.
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Reading comprehenstion not so great perhaps... the only real uncertainty is when and how widespread the transition to 3500lb axles was, as I havent dissected a meaningful number of post-76 #2 trailers. The transition to 5-lug 14’s is much easier to spot from simple inspection and seems to have been done by 76... though I wouldn’t be surprised if some 75’s had them too.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:


Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

 76ish and is when they went to 5-lug (those trailers also got 3500lb axles - at least my 78 did).


My 77 low boy has 14's and 5 lug. 

Is that inconsistent with what I said?

I just thought I'd confirm what's on my 77 since you didn't sound very sure with this statement:

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

 at least my 78 did.


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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

 76ish and is when they went to 5-lug (those trailers also got 3500lb axles - at least my 78 did).


My 77 low boy has 14's and 5 lug. 

Is that inconsistent with what I said?
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Thanks all. Should have mentioned, all three of our #2 trailers are 4 lug.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

 76ish and is when they went to 5-lug (those trailers also got 3500lb axles - at least my 78 did).

My 77 low boy has 14's and 5 lug. 


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I’ve towed several trailers that tweaked and they ride down the road just fine with no evidence of uneven tire wear even.

72 was right around the time when they went from 12” to 13” on the #2, whether you can fit the latter depends on which fender style you have. Both would have used 4-lug hubs and wheels. 14” wouldn’t have come on the #2 until 76ish and is when they went to 5-lug (those trailers also got 3500lb axles - at least my 78 did).
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This Tique was a 2 owner boat when we got it.  Other than questionable graphics and replaced interior, it was very original. The PO painted the baby moons as they were rusty.  We threw them out and went with the plain wheel look.  


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Yeah that Bend will buff out. If not then you've got a preset alignment  bend already built in for those windy days.WinkWacko
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This is a different trailer we acquired. The old one still looks like heck but actually trailers well. Thanks for the info on the wheels
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Looks nice. Our '78 had 14" wheels with pointy baby moons.  Were you able to get the bend out of the trailer?  Always amazes me that someone can jack knife a trailer so hard it does that much damage.
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Took one of our #2 trailers to the sandblaster.  Fresh paint too.  Looking very forward to putting it back together.  This is how it sits now...will be a huge upgrade for the Tique.  Old Trailer and new trailer below:





All parts (fenders, bow stop, guide poles, etc) sandblasted and painted as well.  What size wheels and tires would have been factory for a 70's #2?  How about wheel pattern?  This one has round holes on one wheel and triangles on the other.  This trailer has larger tires (and maybe wheels too) than the one under the 72 Skier.  Going to get a matching set for this freshened up trailer.  
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And that holeshot issue was solved with a Holley 4160 450 cfm carb.
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Originally posted by samudj01 samudj01 wrote:

When we set timing we went through it all. That was when we got the new springs for the distributor. I think timing is fine but can check again. Only reason I asked is a friend thought the exhaust could be timing related.

On the carb, when we rebuilt, I adjusted the idle screws until the rpms were the highest. Now the screws are having little to no affect so I think the idle circuit needs cleaning. The boat has become difficult to start cold in the last month as well. Once warm just turn the key.

Luckily that search function has a better memory than all of us, here are some numbers from earlier in this thread, right after the new springs  Wink

Originally posted by samudj01 samudj01 wrote:

Put the new springs on. Thanks Ken. They work great. Boat is good for the most part. Timing set around 8-10degrees. And advanced nicely up to 34. Boat went to 4300 rpm at full throttle. Idles well and runs strong. One issue is under load the boat will sometimes shut off when putting into gear. First click of the throttle is fine but when you throttle up it just shuts off. This is intermittent. When it doesn't shut off it throttles up and drives great down the lake. Timing still? Or carb? We still haven't gotten to check the fuel pump pressure but it is running good other than the holeshot issue.
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When we set timing we went through it all. That was when we got the new springs for the distributor. I think timing is fine but can check again. Only reason I asked is a friend thought the exhaust could be timing related.

On the carb, when we rebuilt, I adjusted the idle screws until the rpms were the highest. Now the screws are having little to no affect so I think the idle circuit needs cleaning. The boat has become difficult to start cold in the last month as well. Once warm just turn the key.
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Originally posted by samudj01 samudj01 wrote:

I actually forget exactly where we ended up...somewhere in the 8-10 degrees

I can check the rpm with our light but there is no doubt the tach is off.

I’ll start with cleaning the idle circuit.

Initial is less important than final... check both. Make any timing adjustments before carb adjustments.

Do you have an indication that the idle circuit isn’t working properly? How did you have it adjusted prior?
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Pete, can I take a shot at working on your YH's?  Wink

Sure, do you have your long johns out yet? The other morning I was down at the boathouse and skim ice had formed in the slips. 


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Tim and Duane,
I'd like to see ether one of you work on my YH side drafts. I set both idle mix screws with the vacuum gauge.I will admit the the 77 302 has not been set. I'll see what I can do with it come next summer.

Pete, in your defense you probably did the best you could given the present conditions we have to work with.  The YH's were set up for gasoline that had octane ratings that we don't have anymore.  Even our best is not what the lowest octane back then was.  Jetting is not optimum for todays gasoline. No more than you use the boats you should try some 100 LL from your local airport.  The plus side to AV Gas is not only the high octane rating but also that it will not go bad.  No need for Sta-Bil.   We just worked on an airplane that had sat in a hangar for 10+ years with 90 gallons in the tanks.  Sent to a lab for analysis and the results came beck perfect.  It just does not go stale.  Plus your engines will like the 100 octane.  FWIWWink

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The 312 Interceptor manual calls for 90 so I run mid grade in it. 

Shouldn't any talk about octane ratings have some mention of words like Research, or Motor or R+M/2 ? 

Back when that manual was written, the Research number was what was posted on pumps and today's R+M/2 method didn't exist yet.

Comparing numbers from the 60's and 70's to todays numbers is pretty much worthless.

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I actually forget exactly where we ended up...somewhere in the 8-10 degrees

I can check the rpm with our light but there is no doubt the tach is off.

I’ll start with cleaning the idle circuit.
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