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    Posted: June-01-2020 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by Atomic Dam Atomic Dam wrote:

That is the image I keep running into on my searches. Mine is a strait through with the in and out flow directly opposed with only a 3 bolt pattern. Here is the cover. I suppose they could have made them in more then one way.


Click on the link below and you'll find some pertinent info for your pump including mention of the impeller number (which happens to be the one you ordered or at least cross references to the one you ordered)

And you "supposed" right......................It has port arrangements like you describe and also a 3 bolt cover.

And it mentions a couple of gaskets # 14 in the diagram part number 17106-0000 and no O rings.

It just might answer your questions.................maybe   

It mentions plastic bodies but there were metal replacements for them too.

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Here is a little secret on Jabsco pumps- many covers are interchangeable. If a cover with a certain model number is/was not available another was substituted. That’s why unless your 100% positive why you have to order impellers by dimensions like Pete references above.
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I believe PCM’s Chevy based Excalibur is now even out of production. So unless you have a very new Correct Craft boat every engine they have ever used is out of production anyway. So unless your willing to spend 100k plus you will have to do some searching when you need something.
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That is the image I keep running into on my searches. Mine is a strait through with the in and out flow directly opposed with only a 3 bolt pattern. Here is the cover. I suppose they could have made them in more then one way.
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Thank for the history. I am going to do some general research when I get off work and see what I can dig up on it.

Can one of you guys tell me if the O ring in the Impeller housing is an absolute? I see most kits come with them, but the impeller that I ordered was the impeller only, and when I opened it up, there was no O ring present, nor was there any kind of indention that would say there was supposed to have been one in there.

It's a Jabsco Pump model 17100-0001
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Originally posted by Atomic Dam Atomic Dam wrote:

Hello All... I am not new to boating, but I bought my first Correct Craft today. It's a 1975 Southwind 20 with a Pleasure Craft Ford 351

John,
A little history may make you feel better regarding your Escort. At the beginning , Marine engines were pretty much build from scratch meaning they had dedicated blocks. Then around the 30's, the marine engines started using industrial engine blocks such as Hercules and Continental by bolting on the marine components. After WWII, the marinizers switched to automotive blocks but still just bolted on components making the engine a "marine". This is still true today that the marine engine is based off common engine blocks. In the case of the Escort engine manifolds and some of the cooling components may be different BUT, PCM parts will fit the basic block.

You are good to go and get out there and enjoy the water.


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Originally posted by Fabcon Fabcon wrote:

I have the Escort 351 in my SN so you are not alone, there are some out there. Its a fine motor. Parts are not that hard to find you just have to do a little research and then do a little digging.


Like Fabcon said with a little research or substituting of parts you'll be fine.

Ford built the engine and different companies marinized them each a little differently

It's some of the "bolt ons" that you'll find issues with like

The distributor (some have a Mallory like yours and Fabcon's, later ones like Pete's have a Prestolite. Easy to find most distributor related parts but not all of them. You can put a new distributor in if needed though.

The alternator and voltage regulator. The originals were discontinued long ago but easy enough to modernize if necessary.

The raw water pump, you've already run into that. Some had a Jabsco, some had a Sherwood.

The exhaust manifolds, plenty of PCM pyramid style around to fit if you need to replace what you have now.

The thermostat housing is "different" or "odd" too but you can work around that issue also

Fuel pumps, you can find a marine one to fit whether you have a Carter or an AC brand

Probably a few other things too, like the wiring diagram that Pete posted, you could call it "representative" of what yours is like. That diagram was originally from Waukesha and PCM was a division of Waukesha, then they became PCM and a little later bought the Escort assets and a little later the Escort name was history.

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Like Peter says it`s just a small block ford pretty simple to work on.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

And I have the 302 in my Tique and agree that parts aren't that hard to find. Keep in mind, it's still a small block Ford.

John,
I really don't know why you are concerned about your "oddball".


Glad I have some people out there to ask. I was concerned because I can't really find much info on it. I have had engines that were discontinued in the past, and if it broke, you better be good under the hood, because you were on your own. I was afraid I got myself into one of those situations, but they seem more common than I initially thought,
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And I have the 302 in my Tique and agree that parts aren't that hard to find. Keep in mind, it's still a small block Ford.

John,
I really don't know why you are concerned about your "oddball".


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Originally posted by Fabcon Fabcon wrote:

I have the Escort 351 in my SN so you are not alone, there are some out there. Its a fine motor. Parts are not hat hard to find you just have to do a little research and then do a little digging.


Great to know. This one was well taken care of, and has low hours, so I am hoping that she will continue to do the job for a long while. I added you as a buddy, so I can query you if I have problems or questions.
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I have the Escort 351 in my SN so you are not alone, there are some out there. Its a fine motor. Parts are not that hard to find you just have to do a little research and then do a little digging.
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Originally posted by Southvvind Southvvind wrote:

Looks like you have a ski pylon and mine.... is not so equipped. That fact is making me nervous to think about.



So I found this on the CCF site. Apparently ski pylons weren't unheard of.

http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33412&title=southwind-20-ski-pylon
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Originally posted by Atomic Dam Atomic Dam wrote:

Does yours have the PCM 351, or the escort/PCM 351?   Would be nice to know I'm not alone in the oddball engine category.

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Originally posted by Southvvind Southvvind wrote:

Looks like you have a ski pylon and mine.... is not so equipped. That fact is making me nervous to think about.


Oh man, your is beautiful. Mine is not quite as pretty to look at but she has been well taken care of. Does yours have the PCM 351, or the escort/PCM 351? I found out mine was the escort model when trying to purchase an impeller for it. Would be nice to know I'm not alone in the oddball engine category. (Factory engine)

Mine does have the Ski Pylon, but I have seen quite a few south winds without them. Looking at the original brochure, it does not mention a ski pylon as standard feature. Come to think of it, I have never seen another Southwind 20 with one
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Looks like you have a ski pylon and mine.... is not so equipped. That fact is making me nervous to think about.
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Gorgeous boat - we'll be going on this journey at the same time. I'm not new to inboards but I've been out of the community lately and coming back to it now. I have a closed bow Southwind too, it's almost identical to your rig. This is mine, I believe it is a 72 but it's basically identical to yours so I'm not so sure at the moment. It sounds like a classic aircraft to me, amazing sound as you pointed out..
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Very clean, you found a really nice boat
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Here's that engine.
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Southwind 20 closed bow, the only Southwind worth a damn! Nice boat. Get some more pictures up.
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I won't lie, in my younger days pride might get in the way of using a paddle. Now, at 58, I'll grab a paddle, ask for help, whatever is needed, I'm just not going to worry about being a hero or what people think of my boating skills, or lack of.
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Thanks for the horror stories. Im so glad you mentioned the paddle. I have thought about scenereo in which i may need it to to dock safely and thought if i said it outloud i would be exiled. :)
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There is a kid on YouTube that has a short tutorial. Pretty good
You did it perfect like in his video
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One side of dock should be easier, rinse and repeat
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Well nobody on this site has ever messed up docking, had to go hard in reverse to avoid banging into a dock, or been nervous around a public dock!   

I've had good and bad experiences, like all of us. Bad - trying to hold an inboard in a line of boats waiting for dock space. It's doable, people in other boats wonder why I'm going hard to port in forward 1st before backing up, just trying to keep from going sideways. It's a challenge and I've had to just leave the line and re-locate at times, or in wind had to break out the dreaded paddle.. The good is knowing at what rate my boat walks to port in reverse, heading into a crowded dock, docks and boats on both sides of me, and spinning the boat 180 degrees into a space between boats, using the reverse walk to advantage. I've waited for applause but for some reason it never happens.

It sounds like you did a great job for your first outing, some people get how to maneuver these boats right away.
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Nice boat! welcome and more pictures are encouraged!
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Yeah, I sure will.. should be sunny today, I will get a shot when I get her uncovered.
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I did notice that in reverse is has a port side yawing tendency. It's mild but certainly there. I have only had it out once, but docked it pretty well for my first time I thought. Came in at a bout a 45 degree angle on the port side and just bumped the reverse and I docked flat like the space shuttle. I was so nervous, I couldn't get my card in the fuel pump after I tied her off. Great fun though.
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