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MourningWood ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2014 Location: NorCal Status: Offline Points: 920 |
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Couple things-
Check/tighten all clamps on the exhaust system hoses. Since t-stat is out, put it into a pot of boiling water and watch it (hopefully) open. Since you're close to ramp, remove any rear seat/center floor/rear partition and launch. Don't start. Watch and locate where water may be entering. Just spitballing
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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All,
GREAT to be back on the site......I was so needing some feedback from the group over the last few weeks. Quick update - drained the old gas out and put 10 gallons of new fuel in the boat, Replaced fuel filter and.......boat is starting and running fairly well. I did take out the T stat and took a 25 minute spin on the lake. Boat was idling high so I adjusted that a bit. Temp was running around 140 ish and maintaining. Boat was taking on some water (more than normal quantities). Questions I have now: 1) Any potential severe issues that could arise if I continue to run the boat without the T stat? For whatever reason boat temp pegs out when T stat is in (per prior post I did try a new T stat and it was placed in proper orientation) 2) Taking on water - looks like both "channels" where the starboard / port exhaust sit and run out the back are taking on water as soon as I lower the boat down into the water off the lift. Assuming this is from the bellows at the stern of the boat but not sure. I have felt around them and they seem to be intact. Appreciate any input from the group on this one.........sealing, replacing, where else to look etc...???? I need to pull the floor back off and run the boat back out on the lake for a bit to see if water is coming through the shaft / packing as well. Appreciate any / all feedback from the group on the above. |
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Thanks for the follow up inputs / questions Ken and David.
Ken - T stat was from Nautique parts - THERMOSTAT KIT – PCM FORD ENGINES – 143 DEGREES MOST ENGINES 1995 AND OLDER. T Stat was installed in correct orientation..........I don't mind those type questions at all. Temp gauge just maxed out to the right and stayed there (besides coming back down for a short time on my initial run).......not sure what max of the gauge is. Hoping to get more time messing with the boat this coming weekend so will have more to share. Also, boat was idling pretty fast but would stay running and not cough at all but would cut out / die when trying to apply throttle.......wondering if bad gas (tank was full when I got it) contributed to that condition or if I should be looking elsewhere to address that issue??? |
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Seems like the most likely possibilities are minimal cooling water flow, or bad sender or gauge. I'd check connections at sender and gauge. What gives me pause about that is that at one point it did drop to 180, meaning it is functioning to some extent. Again, I'd like to see adequate water flowing out the pipes first to eliminate raw water pump issues. Then pull the stat if you want to prove that out. Then look into sender and gauge.
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Thanks for the follow up inputs / questions Ken and David.
Ken - T stat was from Nautique parts - THERMOSTAT KIT – PCM FORD ENGINES – 143 DEGREES MOST ENGINES 1995 AND OLDER. T Stat was installed in correct orientation..........I don't mind those type questions at all. Temp gauge just maxed out to the right and stayed there (besides coming back down for a short time on my initial run).......not sure what max of the gauge is. Hoping to get more time messing with the boat this coming weekend so will have more to share. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11186 |
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What did your temperature peak at?
Since you put a new thermostat in, what temperature was it? And for the silly question, did it get put in "pointy side up" ? No thermostat for short term testing won't be a problem |
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It's really unlikely that a brand new thermostat is bad. My suggestion would be to run it on the trailer with a timmy-tee feeding it water, search here and you'll see it's a simple way to run your engine on the trailer, just a few dollars at the hardware store to set it up. When running on the trailer, you can see the water flow coming out the pipes, so you know you are getting good flow from the raw water pump. The advantage to the tee setup over a fake a lake is you aren't pressurizing the raw water loop, it's pretty much operating as if it was in the water.
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Update - Got the boat fired up Thursday night. As some of you thought it was not getting enough fuel. Ramp is only a few minutes from my house so I dropped the boat in the water and ran it for a bit. Temp peaked after a few minutes running and then came down to around 180 for a few minutes then went back up. I shut the boat down and let is sit for about 15 minutes and then fired it up again. Temp peaked again after a minute or so on the water and this time did not come back down at all so I shut it down and called it quits for the night. Some questions.........any negatives to pulling the T stat and running the boat so see if the temp issue changes? I know the impeller was changed correctly so what would be next steps in temp diagnosis.......... is there a way to verify the temp gauge is correct? Temp issue aside, the boat ran well, no vibrations at any speeds (I did not push the limits only ran it up to about 25 mph), boat turned smoothly, boat slipped into reverse / forward well so nothing else major discovered.......so far. Boat idles way to fast so I need to address that. Appreciate any suggestions on next steps from the group.
Boat troubleshooting aside..........I hope everyone had a great 4th weekend! |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11186 |
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Hey LLWI
You survived your first thread with mention of pulling tubes without any real abuse from the usual suspects. And.............I hope your backseat turned out nice and cushy like this one in your second thread Stick around, have fun and don't take anything too seriously ![]() ![]() |
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Michael............I was a newbie way back when........can't believe how many years I have been on this forum, reading post from all these guys and soaking in the fun and memories it has provided me.
I have a high degree of confidence I will get the boat running and any bugs worked out with all the input / support I will have from the group. Although I too poke and prod a few of the members more than others (you know who you are) I really respect them all and value their inputs as well as their forum presence. I was saying over the weekend if only so and so were here from CCFAN this boat would be running in no time at all. And...........your red button input is noted. |
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LongLakeWI ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: February-16-2017 Location: Wisconsin Status: Offline Points: 47 |
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I hesitate posting here since I'm a newbie and really don't know *************** but I have an '82 SN2001 which is the exact same boat as the '84 (I believe.) The first year I had it I remember it just wouldn't start and i found the RED "reset" button on the back side of the engine pressed it not really knowing what it was and it fired right up. I hope you get her going and she roars down the lake on the 4th!
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Jonny Quest ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-20-2013 Location: Utah--via Texas Status: Offline Points: 3009 |
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I would recommend caution....only 1-2 tablespoons of raw fuel down the carb throat. You don’t want a hydraulic lock condition. JQ |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11186 |
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Aw shucks Pete, I was just setting you up to ask "the question" ![]() So Steve, if you're looking back at the engine from the driver's seat while you're cranking it over, it should be rotating CCW. In standard marine engine terminology, a reverse rotating engine like your boat came with, rotates to the Right when viewed from behind meaning it would rotate to the left when viewed from the front. If it's got a nice shiny new starter and it's rotating CW when looking from the driver's seat, the starter is wrong and you'd need a starter for a Reverse Rotation engine. Let's hope for "prime it and turn the key" working for you ![]() |
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Pete..........Noted on your input and Ken's hint. Will update the group when I revisit later this week.
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Ken hinted on the rotation:
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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David - no wet plugs
Peter - embarrassed to say but will admit I can't answer the question as to direction the engine was cranking |
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Steve,
Which direction is the engine cranking? |
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When you checked the plugs for spark, were any of them wet with fuel?
When you go to try it, don't pour gas down the carb first, in fact if your accelerator pumps are working, and you said you saw them squirting gas when you pumped the throttle, then you shouldn't need to pour any gas in. Pump the throttle a few times, turn the key and see what happens. Good luck! |
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Thanks for the feedback Ken!
I think I need to put more gas down the carb as I was pretty lenient the first time. I did not even get a slight pop of any kind. I am optimistic that my next round of playing with the boat (probably not until this coming 4th weekend) will go better. And thanks for the info on that switch! |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11186 |
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If there was a lanyard or anything resembling a lanyard, it's function is to kill the spark by interrupting power to the coil. (Different from a fuel injected boat that might kill power to the fuel pumps instead) This isn't your problem, since you have spark at all the plugs and there's not a lanyard anyways.
Not being there, I'd guess that maybe you didn't pour enough gas down the carb throat to prime it or..........maybe too much and it was flooded. If it ran at the end of 2018 and you're getting spark it should at least start. I'd turn the key in the morning and see what happens. If it doesn't start, pump the throttle a couple of times and try again. I won't ask a silly question like did the PO tell you it had a brand spankin' new starter or anything like that ![]() |
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![]() That second switch down is the infamous unlabeled spare switch that feeds...............nothing. ![]() It's come up numerous times here on CCF It comes from the factory with a hot feed into it and no wire on the outlet so you could use it for whatever you wanted or just leave it as is. A dive under the dash would tell you if a PO used it for anything |
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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JQ I have been burned by that (lanyard off) on my 05 before so can relate. I do not see anything like a lanyard on the 84 though. Puzzled as to what that switch below the Nav switch is........see first pic above.
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Jonny Quest ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-20-2013 Location: Utah--via Texas Status: Offline Points: 3009 |
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Safety kill-switch lanyard in place? You'd be surprised how many times this has confounded folks...
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Finally got some time to play with the 84 this weekend. Put the new numbers on, changed the oil, filter, impeller, new battery and T stats as those items are within my skill level. Went to fire it up and....................turned over but will not fire. Had spark at all the plugs, gas going into the carb when the throttle was pumped (poured gas in the carb before initially turning over. Condition reminded me of a lanyard off type situation that I have experienced with my newer Nautiques. I remember the 85 I had, and sold, had a master power fuse but did not see anything like that on the dash. There was a switch below the Nav switch (pic enclosed) that I could not figure out what it was for. Brochure here on the site did not help me. I got frustrated and called it quits. I am very week when it comes to mechanical troubleshooting and will not pretend otherwise thus would appreciate any / all inputs from the regulars on the forum. as to what I should try next.
Besides the boat not starting it was fun crawling around and messing with it, cleaning it up etc.... The garage in front of the house out on the street was a bit warm at times but not complaining about good weather. For the most part the boat and trailer are all there so it should be fun to play with for a bit (after I get it running) before deciding next steps. I did take a few pics so I would not catch flack from you guys but I am still working on zipping them down to size to get them posted............will keep trying. |
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After you run it with the fake lake, take the input hose off the transmission oil cooler and check for crap than can clog water flow through the cooler..
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Drive it like you stole it. !!!!!!!
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check the belts for dry rot, wear, excessive play and tighten or replaced, check the plug wires as well. check all hoses and the clamps that hold them on. When some winterize their boats, they loosen the belts to take tension off the pulleys, and raw water pump, etc, so check tension as well.
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Over-kill is a symptom of BOD ( Boat Obsession Disorder). I got it bad...
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