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emccallum
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Posted: October-16-2006 at 5:14pm |
My shaft in my 82 SN broke last year exactly the same way. New shaft, dripless packing, new prop. About two nights to replace it. It was the first time i had ever removed the shaft, so it took me a while. I think I cut the shaft to get it out of the boat. All parts and advice came from SKIDIM.
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79Tique
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Thanks boar dr. I'll check it out.
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boat dr
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79; my '64 ame w/a 12 in. dia. prop,that was the reason for extending my shaft.you should have the room,measure C/L of prop shaft to the floor of your boat,if you have 7.75in. or more you can swing a 13in. wheel w/no problemo...........boat dr.
i have about 1.30 in. prop to hull clearance,too close and it will burn(pull the gel)the bottom.......... |
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eric lavine
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jimbo, i like the double tapers too it is a hell of alot easier removing them and re-installing them. With the straight shafts i like the split clamp type coupling they are really easy to r and r.
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jimbo
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That's funny! Aside from the drag/turbulance issues, I'd be concerned about holding a prop in the strut turning at 3-4K rpm that just broke loose from the shaft. It might saw into the hull instead of flying off to the bottom of the lake and that would suck. Plus the prop would be all beat up. |
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jimbo
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Try reading this thread for ideas. I'd recomend replacing the shaft with a double tapered shaft. Makes all that a non-issue, the way I understand it. |
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79Tique
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Hey boat dr,
Do you know if I have enough clearance to run these Acme props that folks rave about like the 542 on my 79 Ski Tique with a new but stock shaft? |
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Darrel
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my bad, i thought you were having trouble pulling the shaft out.
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eric lavine
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try cutting the rest of the bad shaft out and press the coupling off in a press, you may have to use a cut off wheel, be careful of the sparks or you can use a h bar puller wih bolts. its hard to use a slide hammer to do this. there are split type couplings available which do not use the taper shaft, you use a straight shaft with a key and the coulping is split down the middle with 2 bolts when you tighten these bolts the coupling is clamped right onto the shaft, they are the cats a$$ they are available from t.m.i 1-800-462-8848
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Darrel
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Vice grip and a hammer with a heavy hand. There is a special slide hammer but it isnt cheap and your shaft is already trash.
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Martinique
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Is there a tool to help remove the shaft from the coupling? I have the coupling unbolted from the tranny and the set bolts removed but I cannot seam to loosen the shaft from the coupling. any ideas?
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David F
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Yes, such collars exist. They are usually installed just ahead of the packing gland inside the bilge. The purpose is to keep the prop from hitting the rudder if the shaft was to pull out of the coupling while backing hard. As I went with a double taper shaft and thus no chance of the shaft pulling out of the coupling, I did not reinstall the collar. I suppose you could install the collar just ahead of the strut without problem (other than increased water turbulence/drag. You can have my collar if you want it. |
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JoeinNY
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You can buy a 2-piece egg shaped zinc anode that will bolt on the the shaft at that location. I had one on my 1967 when I got it, the previous owner must have added it because he was storing the boat in salt water, if he hadn't painted over it, it might have been some help. I tossed it since I run in freshwater and hoist the boats at night but it would save the prop in the case of some shaft breaks.
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Martinique
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A collar would not have helped me. mine broke about 1" inside the strut
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duffnit
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I have a question.
Do they make, or could you get a collar to put on the shaft above the strut so in the event the shaft was to break; a; You wouldn't loose your $350 (+ -) prop? b; Reduce possible rudder and hull damage? I guess there is a reason this isn't done. Perhaps a balance issue....Anyone? d |
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boat dr
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Mike , how long and what is the application,fresh or salt water.my '64 shaft i a little longer than std.1.75 in. this allows me to swing a 13 dia. and still mantain the clearace ratio of 10% or 1.3 in.between prop and hull...........boat dr
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79nautique
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since your replacing the shaft might as well looking in to replacing the packing gland with a dripless seal as well. Always nice to have a clean water free bilge.
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69 Mustang
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boat dr,
Care to sell me a shaft? 1978 Ski Tique w/a 220hp 302. Thanks. |
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boat dr
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p/allen my prop and shaft guru says;we offer the following shafts,#17, #19,#22. the higher the # the more resistant they are to corrosion,that tells me #22 contains more nickel and other alloys making it softer but more expensive.#17 is the stock material and specs for C/C. they are the OEM for all of C/C boats.
shaft is 41 in. single taper........boat dr when asked about the break"every part has a service life,w/the clean break sounds like metal fatigue, end of subject" for the price of the shaft i was quoted and the fact i just bought 2 Austals 4 blades,sounds like cheap insurance to the boat dr........... but i could be wrong |
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p/allen
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I have gotten 2 shafts for my 72 . Paid 75 apiece for them at local machine shop back 8 years or so . I dont know what kind of stainless they used but it seems to hold up to my 220 hp 302. Dr. , do you know what kind of stainless that shafts are made of ?
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Martinique
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boat dr hooked me up with an incredible deal
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Darrel
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Did you order the double taper shaft?
I just bought and installed one and SKIDIM's price was much much better than CC dealer. |
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Martinique
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not a bad idea if you have the cash and the time. We were one of two boats out and luckly were able to get towed all the way across the lake and back to the dock. I was without outta paddle
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69 Mustang
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After this discussion, I wonder if I should order a new shaft. 78 Ski Tique with around 700 hrs, but I have only put on about 12 of those hours, so I have no idea if it's ever been hit, etc, etc. Hmmm...
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boat dr
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Andy, ain't nothing but a thang,this is what i do for a living,buy parts ,work on boats,and try to make my clients happy. glad to do a good deed for a CCF,also saved you a lot of money in the process.it ain't BS if you can back it up. Advice is cheap;Knowhow is expensive.............boat dr
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Martinique
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boat dr thanks for the hook up, the shaft has been ordered...let me know about the prop and remmember I am broke.
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boat dr
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andy,call me with year model,i will call one of my vendors to check price...........boat dr
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Martinique
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thanks eric, I looked for the chart but I cannot find it anywhere. If you find please send over.
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eric lavine
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alot of times with mis-alignment you may or may not get a vibration, i would look for that chart i talked about earlier, I cant remember what causes a clean break. a twisting break i believe one side woul be higher. i will also look tonight for that chart it is really informative
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Tim D
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A friend of mine had the alignment off on his ski tique and the shaft broke, nearly killed him. He was running about 25 and it broke and it slid back and hit the rudder causing an abrupt turn. The steering wheel almost broke his hands and arms. My shaft is 40 years old, never broken.
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