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    Posted: December-28-2020 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by mamaa39 mamaa39 wrote:

Earlier you had mentioned putting polyurethane on it to be able to use it for a few years before a full restoration.  Is that still an option?  If so should we just lightly sand it, paint it and then urethane it?

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That was for the hull sides and NOT the bottom.
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Without stripping down the hull sides to bare wood and starting fresh, there's not much you can do with the seams. My only suggestion would be a couple coats of spar varnish. You would reduce (thin) the first coat and it will soak into the seams. 
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I think you are getting WAY ahead of youself. I suggested a couple coats of varnish just so you can get it in the water and enjoy it for a couple years.  

On the bottom, there are planks pulling off the hull and the reason I feel you need to go deeper. No caulking will prevent planking from pulling even more. 


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Earlier you had mentioned putting polyurethane on it to be able to use it for a few years before a full restoration.  Is that still an option?  If so should we just lightly sand it, paint it and then urethane it?
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

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Sorry to hear that the boat needs soaking in an attemp to stop leaking and the reason the Gluvit was used to plug up the seams. 





This is what's needed to get into and remove the dried out bedding compound at all the seams I mentioned earlier. A plywood hull should never leak.


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  1. I started a light sanding on our 53 CC today. I noticed that there is some kind of filler in between the boards. Some of it has separated.  However, It looks like caulk to me but I’m not sure if it is, or what it’s supposed to be. My question is, what is it supposed to be and should I try to remove it and replace it, or should it just be filled over? 
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That is a great looking boat!  Mine is a '56 Atom Skier.  I have a similar story with a friend of my father's (original owners) gave me the boat after it had been sitting in drydock for many years.  I had no previous experience with wood boats and only knew how to winterize an outboard as previous knowledge.  This forum is great to use as your guides moving forward.  I support the advice of getting it powered up and in the water to enjoy for a season or two before a full restoration.  

I believe that engine will fire up with the a minimal amount of work, ie. spark plug/wires, distributor/points, fuel pump , carburetor and water pump, prop shaft alignment along with repacking the shaft log and rudder seals.  Get her fired up with a garden hose or fakealake set up.  Make sure the trailer tires hubs and seals are looked at and given maintenance as needed.
I floated mine at the dock to check the water pump and cooling systems before putting her back together (floor deck etc.) so I could monitor the joints and hull areas around the shaft log, drain plug and rudder assembly for noticeable leaks.

For her first outing on the water I installed a separate 12v bilge system for precaution (this can be removed if not needed)

If all goes well, visit the Correct Craft site and buy you and all who helped a hat or one of those cool Atom skier T-shirts.

Then have fun and fix what breaks as experiential learning is the best teacher...and a little exciting!  For example, my 18 year old son now knows how to set points gap and the whole family knows that water and steam out the tail pipe is a good thing!

This is a link to a facebook album that documents my 10 year journey with my father's '56 Atom.
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Maybe Alan would put this up on a photo site or a Dropbox link. Be asked than re-uploading them all back here.
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Sheila,
Here's a link to Alan's proper restoration of Todd's 56 Collegian. It's still got some pictures so it's a better read for you. 




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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

 

Sheila,Try this one:


It's really a shame that all the pictures are lost after the site hack. Alan did such a great detailed job with documenting the restoration.


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Here's a link to the Sunnyland chapter of the ACBS:



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Originally posted by mamaa39 mamaa39 wrote:

We may choose to strip to to bear wood.  If we do should we just sand it down and then use the spar finish or should we use something else.  Thanks so much for the help!

Sheila,
I think you are getting WAY ahead of youself. I suggested a couple coats of varnish just so you can get it in the water and enjoy it for a couple years. A proper restoration takes lots of time and lots of patience. I put in over 750 man hours for my Atom and 5 years of patience!! Your Aqua being a double plank hull you will go way beyond those hours. Take some time to do some research. Join the ACBS and become active in your local chapter.  


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Ok Shelia, this is going to be fun to watch. As Peter mentioned above, the Atom project we watched for quite some time was THE restoration. All sorts of issues came up, as will likely be the case in your restoration, and Pat did an incredible job of documentation. 

Before you even start, document the entire boat with detailed pictures. When you do start the disassembly, document everything, both written and with photos. It is very likely any obstacle you run into has already been asked and answered with how-to-instructions.

I LOVE the Woody's. And I live vicariously though those who restore them. Having worked on and restored a few wooden/tube/fabric aircraft over the years, mostly Bellanca's, I can appreciate the effort and dedication. We're looking forward to watching your project.

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We may choose to strip to to bear wood.  If we do should we just sand it down and then use the spar finish or should we use something else.  Thanks so much for the help!
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Sheila,
Without stripping down the hull sides to bare wood and starting fresh, there's not much you can do with the seams. My only suggestion would be a couple coats of spar varnish. You would reduce (thin) the first coat and it will soak into the seams. 


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Notice on the outside, the seams between the boards where some of the material has come out?   What should we do there before putting it in the water.   I don’t even know what was used.  
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This is such a cool boat with a great history and a planked hull too!  

Ditto the others, get it running and enjoy it.

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Thanks for the pictures. Yes, your Aqua is double planked. As I mentioned, CC would take their plywood hulls and plank over them as an option. The added planking is what makes them "double" planked. 

Glad to hear the glass was removed from the bottom. Some including myself call it the "kiss of death" for a wood boat. It accelerates or rather causes rot since it traps moisture plus it cracks at seams and then comes off. 

Sorry to hear that the boat needs soaking in an attemp to stop leaking and the reason the Gluvit was used to plug up the seams. As Gary mentioned, get the engine back in and enjoy it for a few years.

Since my pictures are gone out of my diary, here's a picture from Pat Cruises Atom project that shows a down to frame proper restoration.



This is what's needed to get into and remove the dried out bedding compound at all the seams I mentioned earlier. A plywood hull should never leak.


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The bottom was fiberglassed however after last redo the fiberglass was removed.  I do not know about double planking.  I’ll post pictures of outside.  
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So glad to hear you are willing to do the hard work if needed and keep in family
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I don’t know.  All I do know is my Dad always said that it needed to be in the water.  That if left dry too long the wood would shrink and it would leak.  As to whether it is double planked????  We are definitely novices and know absolutely nothing.  I grew up with the boat and did use it and perhaps helped sand some when he was working on it.  That’s the extent.  Hence we will be asking lots of questions from others who have some experience.  We are not afraid of work just need direction on what we need to do.  And by direction I mean detailed instructions.  Again we are newbies and will be learning as we go.  
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I was asking a question about soaking boats
Sounds like some do need soaking
But not the aqua
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Originally posted by 67 ski nat 67 ski nat wrote:

I understand some of the wood boats in Lake Tahoe need to be put in water couple days prior use so the wood can swell up and seal leaks. Boat will take on water fro first day
Does yours leak or should it leak a little then seal ??
Wrong. The only wood hull type that needs soaking is a single plank like on Century's. Any other hull that needs soaking has problems. 


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I understand some of the wood boats in Lake Tahoe need to be put in water couple days prior use so the wood can swell up and seal leaks. Boat will take on water fro first day
Does yours leak or should it leak a little then seal ??
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Originally posted by Chief450 Chief450 wrote:

  I am considering working on the outside first.   

What are your plans for the outside? 


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Originally posted by Chief450 Chief450 wrote:

We haven’t had a chance to evaluate it yet.  There doesn’t appear to be rotten wood on the inside.  When it cools off a little, I plan to look at the inside better to see if there is any damage.  From the surface there doesn’t appear to be any.  I am considering working on the outside first.   

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Regarding rot, there are hidden spots that you can't see from the inside or out so if you do open up the joints, don't be surprised. 

It's hard to tell from the pictures is the Aqua double planked? It was a CC option where they would take their ply hull and plank over the top of the ply. Has the bottom been fiberglassed? 


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Pete 8122 probably nailed it. Boards need 5200 all redone
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We haven’t had a chance to evaluate it yet.  There doesn’t appear to be rotten wood on the inside.  When it cools off a little, I plan to look at the inside better to see if there is any damage.  From the surface there doesn’t appear to be any.  I am considering working on the outside first.  I am unsure if I need remove the old Gluvit, since I have heard that Gluvit is not the optimal sealant to use if  an interior sealant is needed.  
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So rick and Sheila
You changed thread title to aqua
It’s been a few days to think
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