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Good thing that was an older HO GT engine. the newer ones had the fuel pump eccentric omitted from the cam gear. Had a customer go through two fuel pumps on a carb converted newer GT engine..... pumps would not prime LOL. he kept telling me the pumps were bad?? I had to ask what engine he had. long story i explained the eccentric omit to him..wound up utilizing the electric pump and original mount bracket..
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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jmesser
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Keno,
Yes sir, it is mechanical. I start her up often now that the engine is back in. She fires right up as is and stays running. I am waiting on some new brackets this week and then I will put the fuel tank back in. Thanks for the info. I was hoping I did not need one. ...Still a Youtube mechanic, ha!
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KENO
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Based on this thread and also the one in the link below, it was determined that you had a Protec engine(predecessor to the gt40) that somebody had converted to a carburetor and distributor.
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Just a guess here, but does it have a mechanical fuel pump on it now to suck the gas from your portable can. If it does, that's all you need If it has an electric pump right now, it could be converted to a mechanical pump
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jmesser
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So as I near the final touches of putting all back together on this Fish Nautique...An knowing I rcvd this boat is less than complete condition... I need to ask the experts, should this set up need an electric fuel pump?
Note it is a GT40 351, but had been configured back to a carb. It runs well with a fuel line into the gas can in the bilge. please look... https://photos.app.goo.gl/QRRseKUQbbrNrT127
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jblocal
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Sounds good to me there but that’s only way I’ve had them. What’s your plan for the console?
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jmesser
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That looks so nice!. I had planned on placing speakers like you have. Do yours sound good?
...well a funny thing happened to my console after I got back in country....
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jblocal
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Here is a couple pics of my 87. Deck heights were lower in the earlier years. Some also had fuel tanks in the stern. Mine has a removable deck in the back of boat to access fuel tank. I think spicing transducer wires is frowned upon.
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jmesser
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Yes sir, KENO was right (I can't ever recall him not being right...) It is the wrong prop. After he mentioned the inability to get the taper on, I, just coincidence, have the shaft and prop in my garage. I went and checked, and sure enough, the prop will not go on backwards. The tapered end will not go past the threads at all. ...I was sure it was on backwards, it made sense. I got so excited that I spent a few hours cleaning it and the rudder. I've got brasso and white vinegar everywhere.
And on the engine, yes sir, I got another one. I bought it just to play with in the garage. After I got it home, it turns out it is in amazing shape, and has GT40 heads. So I'm gonna put it in and keep the old engine and play with it. The old engine has some issues, but runs good. I did a compression check and the cylinders are mostly 120 with one lower at 112. I personally think it was neglected forever. I have it on a crate and it fires right up. I'm going to pull the manifolds, risers, and all so I can inspect, clean, prep and paint...and look for another hull to play with. |
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Aha, thanks, missed that thread.
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'63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique
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KENO
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The thread in the link is about his newer engine
Johnnie's pictures in the linked thread seem to have disappeared
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Did I miss that you are putting a different engine in the boat?
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'63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique
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Can we confirm that the prop was not on backwards, that it's a RH prop that for some strange reason was installed? Like Ken said I don't think you could force a tapered prop on backwards far enough to thread on the nut, but unlike Ken I've never tried. Of all the aspects of the project this is a small once since you just need to find the correct prop. Looking good with the cleanup! If it was me I'd go straight pipe too, only question on that would be if you plan to fish the boat, trolling a lot, if you think the noise would get to you. Do you plan on ocean or lake use?
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'63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique
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KENO
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It looks like it says 14X11 1 1/8 NI-BRAL cup and the stamping is on the end of the hub that should be closest to the strut when installed. So the L is just the last letter of Nibral You can also see where the hub has been hammered on in a few spots.
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Thank you for the offer! Apparently tonight, picture posting works. I dunno?
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Bilge and engine bay after engine removal. Clearing the rot.
The newer engine has 3.5" exhaust so I think I am going to source 3.5in exhaust tips. I don't have mufflers for the 3.5in, but I think I want to go straight pipe anyway. I enjoy the loud pipes. |
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Inside of the prop after pulling it.
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Gonna get this cleaned up
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Shined up a bit
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Does the L cup not mean Left rotation. Or did I make a big assumption?
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KENO
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Johnnie
Last time I tried to put a 1 1/8 inch taper bore prop on a 1 1/8 tapered shaft like you have, it was physically impossible to even get the hole in the prop started on the taper. It fits over the threads but not onto the taper. That was about 15 minutes ago so it's pretty fresh in my mind You and a pile of other people have problems with pictures on this site. Like in your case, what worked one day, may take multiple tries with various different error messages Here's a picture of your prop from earlier in the thread. Not the clearest, but at least in this picture it looks like a normal older RH rotation prop that slid up the shaft to where it should be. If you e mail the pictures to keno439@ gmail.com, I'll try to post them here for ya' |
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It was on backwards, unreal!
Propeller status- got the prop off, with a lot of persuasion. And, if you can believe it, it was on backwards. Now that I have gotten up close and personal under the hull, I realize the prop was further back with the castle nut, no pin. I don't think the PO hammered it on, but he tightened the heck out of it. Pix show- 14 x 11 x 1-1/8 Lcup The shaft looks ok, but I would love to hear from the experts. ....Image upload has become too troublesome. Am I the only person that is having this issue? They were working at one point.
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jmesser
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And my final request for information tonight... Hopefully the pix don't rotate again. Inside the bilge I have two fittings I need help with. 1. Is obviously a depth sounder (I am almost positive). If you look, the cable remains and could feasibly be reconnected. Does anyone have any info on the head unit, or could this possibly be a universal transponder that I could splice back into? Any further insight would be appreciated. **on the underdside this is the arrow shaped part** 2. On the inside of the bilge the second highlighted part is odd. From the underisde it is a thru hull. Weird. Any ideas what it is or was? |
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Random observation- I have scoured the sites for an image of a 1986 Fish Nautique inside aft. My 86 FN has a different floor design as well as a larger gunnel than the 87. Does anyone know if the 86 was a one off year? Since the virus removed a bunch of the brochures, I don't have a 85 to gauge it by.
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Progress- Removed the tank so I can get to the rudder and rebuild. Also pulled other items like the battery box so I can pull the shaft and put in a new log, packing and cutlass bearings. Absolutely filthy. So here it is after hours of vacuums , scrubbing and washing.
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I would like to upload some pix, but I see there are problems...
Rudder- so the Fish Nautique has a 1.5" ruder shaft. I just watched Ron Tanis on a video rebuilding one in an American Skier. However, he doesn't sell 1.5" seals. Any idea where I can get a rudder rebuild kit for the Fish Nautique?
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Yeah good, it looked ready to impale someone!
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