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OldSchoolBlue84 
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 Topic: Hole in Boat š¤¢- UPDATEPosted: May-09-2022 at 10:17pm |
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Thanks everyone for the helpā¦..got her done in time to start the seasonā¦.itās not perfect but lake worthy š
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Kostas
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Hollywood
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Posted: April-20-2022 at 8:59pm |
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We have reached the summit.
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Posted: April-20-2022 at 8:32pm |
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Option 1 - US Composites (qts) - $56.85 + $24.26 (S&H) = $81.11 Option 2 - US Composites (qts) - $42.00 + $22.24 (S&H) = $64.24 Option 3 - Duraglass (Amazon) $32.50 + Gelcoat (Spectrum) $45.56 + $9.00 (S&H) = $87.06 Thanks everyone! Really appreciate the help. I included prices for each option. At this point I donāt care on costs as long as itās done correctly. Plus love my wife who gives me an unlimited budget on her baby! |
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wayoutthere
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Posted: April-20-2022 at 8:12pm |
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So i went back and read all the posts instead of being lazy reading the first few. Time money and end result are your considerations ; Option 1 will cost 100 150 bucks because you cant get those items in small supplies and theres no mention of the consumables need to pull that off, no mention of how much time it'll take either. Option 2 never heard of that epoxy or what quantities it comes in but when cabosil and gelcoat are mentioned we're back at some cost and consumables again. Don' t forget mixing to consisency and the mess in all 3 options. Option 3 is to thick all that will happen is a surface repair with an air bubble behind it. Also think it's a bondo product so it mixes that way dries fast, no working time too thick to smoodge in there etc etc. The west 610 is 2 part epoxy in a tube already thickened but very workable, it comes with a static mixer, Pull the plunger on a west marine sryinge stick the static mixer in there fill the syringe pulling the static tip out to minimize mess and air bubbles, insert the syringe deep as it can go and slowly fill the void. Repeat the procss with the syringe all the way in until obviously it doesnt need to go that far then slowly fill the rest of the void. No mess, only consumable is the static tip and plastic syringe. Let it dry over night, wash wipe the blush off with a rag from the kitchen sink, scuff it with 80 grit and it will take gelcoat, if you want it finished. Out the door in 15 minutes( overnight to dry) for under 50 bucks, no mess, no pouring, no mixing, no measuring, no dangerous fumes (vynil ester) No breathing fumed silica or whatever the hell it is (cabosil). If i had a hole other than the one in my head a picture is worth a thousand words as they say. Keno, ive been way out on safari way over there but now just way under the radar for a bit.
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Posted: April-20-2022 at 8:02pm |
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Haha your so correct! I have issues taking care of āoldā stuff vs ānewā āŗļø   |
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Kostas
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baitkiller
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Posted: April-20-2022 at 6:49pm |
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My guess is 'Ol Kostas overheated the spot while waxing or polishing that boat.
 Dude starts twitching when birds fly over.. its awkward and makes me feel bad when I look at mine. I vote #3 cause its cheap and easy and was probably my idea.
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Jesus was a bare-footer.............
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KENO
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Posted: April-20-2022 at 5:27pm |
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It's been a while Dan, I thought maybe you were out on safari somewhere
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wayoutthere
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Posted: April-20-2022 at 9:57am |
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First off that is common across all fiberglass parts in sharp corners/edges especially in a production part. Unless a brand new nautique is vacuum infused you'd find them there as well. My opinion is thickened epoxy in a small syringe, shove the syringe into the hole as far as possible 2, 3, 4 times or as many times it takes until your confident the air has been pushed out. Ive done it many times using west 610 injected with a mixing tip directly into the syringe filling it up, putting the plunger in and repeating the process. The 610 has a 45 minute work time, it cleans up easy, it sands easy, it's consistent and waterproof. One stop into west marine or maybe even amazon and you've got all your materials to do this. Personally don't like marine tex at all
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 7:43pm |
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Certainly meaning no offense, but neither am I going to patronize.
My preference, regardless of the audience, has been Ski Nautiques. I admire them for their design and over-the-water performance more than any other attributes. In my experience (perhaps different than yours), I find them to be built to the standards of the day. I still like them. I buy them. I restore them, and tinker with them like many here. I hope we can be friends...
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1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun"
'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
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TRBenj
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 7:00pm |
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I have dissected a few different types and thereās a pretty big difference in quality, IMO. Your āno better no worseā is incongruous with your preferences and a little off putting, considering the audience.
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MourningWood
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 4:49pm |
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Like, say Supremes with water saturation, or Supras with water saturation, or Malibu's with asymmetrical hull chines, or......
I've seen a few...like I said, no better, no worse. indeed, I've owned 8 Correct Crafts (including current 2) and 1 Supra. Oh, and a Dunphy woodie. (This over 50 years) Hopefully that speaks to my preference in ski boats...
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1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun"
'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
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TRBenj
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 4:34pm |
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And thatās where youāre wrong. Your gripes arenāt without merit, but it doesnāt sound like youāve seen very many off brand boats dissected. |
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 2:54pm |
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Now thatāll be customer service & unbelievable warranty āŗļø |
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 2:53pm |
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Haha Paulā¦I might of left a few details out when I described it to her š¤« |
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 2:45pm |
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I'm gonna guess your wife told you to keep your thumb away from her stern.
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 2:30pm |
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While we may all love our vintage Nautiques, the quality (or quality control) back in the day wasn't anything to celebrate...
Example 1: When visiting the factory in 1984, I saw the hulls that had been recently removed from the molds and filled with expanding foam. Workers would use ordinary handsaws on the flat to 'saw' the foam level over the top of the stringers, before the glass floor was laid. Literally dumpsters full of foam scraps-that s%t was everywhere! Example 2: I produced a very early (perhaps the first) removable swim platform brackets for the 2001. (out of necessity). Hence the trip to the factory in '84. Back home I installed several sets. Upon removing the outside port bracket, water flowed out seemingly endlessly from the bolt holes of a customer's new '84.. The owner was not impressed. Example 3: After meeting our local promo team, I learned that the head of the team would mix up small cups of epoxy and go around the bilge filling voids along the base of the stringers and forward bulkhead. Small wonder why the need for stringer jobs. Probably no better/worse than other boats of the era. |
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1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun"
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MrMcD
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 2:10pm |
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Maybe Nautique will offer Warranty? The boat is only what, 40 years old now. Should not have happened but heck it lasted a very long time, probably many more boats have similar issues that never have showed up.
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 12:02pm |
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Haha no sheāll never hurt her boat āŗļøā¦me, possibly š¤· Most likely contact with an object and developed a slight crack in the gel. When I was cleaning the teak I noticed the crack, pushed on it with my thumb and created hole. Thereās no delaminating or structural concerns, just air void from fiberglass layup at the factory. |
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 11:06am |
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TRBenj,
Yep, some cheaper epoxy brands have more variability in their product. Excessive amine blush is a pain! I vacuum bag hydrofoil boards, so I spend the bucks and stick with West Marine epoxy. Some epoxies just seem to ooze amine.
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 10:46am |
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Iāve had a 50/50 experience in multiple attempts to lay gel directly over epoxy and I can assure you that surface prep was not the issue. Extended cure time (I am talking years) certainly seems to help. Perhaps certain brands of both materials can factor into the compatibility issueā¦ but I certainly wouldnāt want to be dealing with a potential 50% success rate. YMMV |
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Posted: April-19-2022 at 9:48am |
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Spoke with few shops and vendors all concluded air void as well during layup at the factoryā¦below are the 3 options Iām considering after talking with them. Little concern with option #1 and #2 with sanding. Figure I share this information incase anyone else comes across this threadā¦.
Option #1: - 700 Vinyl Ester Resin - Aerosil-Cabosil thickening agent - 1/32ā Milled Fiber powder - Polyester Pure White Gelcoat - Surface Wax (Mod-C) additive Option #2: - Fasco 110 Epoxy Glue, 2 part putty - Aerosil-Cabosil thickening agent - White Gelcoat Pigment Option #3: - USC Duraglas Fiberglass Filled Filler - Spectrum Jupiter Patch Paste Kit |
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Posted: April-18-2022 at 7:00pm |
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I have not had the negative experience using gel coat over epoxy as long as basic prep is performed. Check out a rather definitive study by what I would consider a reputable source. I prefer to make repairs with epoxy and I have never had bonding issues with a subsequent gel coat.
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Posted: April-18-2022 at 11:15am |
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Reiterating the above in case you missed it. Not a rush unless you just canāt bear to look at it any longer. You can fill the void with thickened epoxy if you want, then use a conversion coat before gel. Vinylester or duracoat work. Or you could fill the void with thickened vinyl or poly, gel will still to either (directly). I wouldnāt be afraid to try it yourself, thereās really no penalty. Screw it up or donāt like the color match? Grind it off and try again (or bring to a pro). |
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Posted: April-18-2022 at 10:03am |
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Thanks Gary! Iāll reach out. Spoke to a local shop this morning and advised they could do the repair but end of summerš¤¦. Looks like this is going to be something I have to repair myself which Iām not that worried. Thanks again and Iāll give that shop a call as well! |
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Posted: April-18-2022 at 10:01am |
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Your correct Tim as US Composites advised the same. They are looking into options for my application. Thanks again |
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Posted: April-18-2022 at 9:59am |
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Thank you! |
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Posted: April-17-2022 at 9:54pm |
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Alās pro fiberglass in whitewater Wisconsin if you are willing to head a little north.
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Gary S
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Posted: April-17-2022 at 6:18pm |
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I think that would be a good choice closer to home. These guys up here by me did great work,they did Quinners 206 transom that time that tree got in his way at GL- https://allmarinemotorsports.com/ But in all fairness I called them once for my Super Sport,the owner told me to bring it in. I called back just before the day I was to bring it in,whoever I talked to said no way they are too busy- so I did it myself since my color was available through Spectrum. Heard later through the grapevine that you always want to talk to the owner,not the help.
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Posted: April-17-2022 at 2:58pm |
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I would Gary! If I could fine a reputable shop to do the work in a realistic timeframe. You know anyone in IL? Iāll be calling the shop tomorrow next to N3. |
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Gary S
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Posted: April-17-2022 at 1:24pm |
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Do your homework and just take it to a pro. It's a nice boat,been part of the family and didn't cost you anything,time to spend something on maintenance.
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