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Pete is a wealth of knowledge warehouse, and always willing to share.
One of my biggest problems is not asking , "maybe I don't know it all,and is there an easier softer way"?????? Keep this site rolling Pete,the do's and the DONT'S, also the been there done that. But the best one's are "Don't even think about doing this" complete with pic's...................boat dr |
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8122pbrainard
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Bill, Nothing really sticks to polyethylene and the reason they make glue bottles out of it!!! You may be on to something with the light gauge poly. It just may be enough to bridge the seam and form enough surface tension to hold the 5200 in. You may need to keep pushing it in with a putty knife for a day or so until it starts to thicken up. Then once cured, the poly will come off. The 5200 is available in small tubes to do some testing.
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billlong
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Thanks Pete, if polyethylene is a material that 5200 won't bond to I can get some of that from work in both film and tape material. I work for xpedx and we're in the packaging materials business. I could place a light gauge poly film over the 5200 and then put masking tape over that to hold everything in place. I'm beginning to see that this is going to be a messy operation.
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8122pbrainard
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Bill, The 5200 can get messy and runny at times. Fine line tape I don't feel will stick to the 5200 as the base is a polethyene but the adhesive on it may. I would do some test batches with it as well as plain blue painters tape on some scrap wood. It is going to be a multi handed job of getting the 5200 into the seam as the tape is put on at the same time. It's not going to be pretty unless you mask off both sides of the seam. I hate working on bottoms and will typically take the time to flip the hull just as Joe has mentioned. Be prepared for a long cure time. It all depends on the humidity but may take 4 to 5 days. It is the only draw back to the 5200. Do not use the fast cure because it doesn't have as good adhesion.
Edit: When you are doing the testing, you may want to try to remove the tape before it fully cures. See if the tape will pull cleanly from the 5200 without pulling it out of the seam. At a partial cure, you may even be able to tool the seam smooth. |
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billlong
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Thanks Joe, not quite the tip I was looking for.
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JoeinNY
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Flip it over
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billlong
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Hello Pete, I'm making good progress. Some of the tips you have given me have really helped out a lot. Perhaps the best one is using a Dremel tool with a 1/8" bit to clean out the seams. So, maybe you have another tip that would help me. How can I prevent the 3M 5200 from dripping out of the bottom seams along the keel? I have them reefed out, cleaned and deoiled as well as possible and I'm getting ready to caulk. Can I use tape over the 5200 to contain it? or will the 5200 bond to the tape? Any suggestion here would be appreciated.
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Thanks Pete and Steve, I was pretty sure there wouldn't be a solvent for the cured silicone. Nasty stuff. I'm having the best results with 80 grit sandpaper. It clogs up real fast with the silicone but at least it does remove it. It's a tedious job. Pete, no I have not found any loose screws. Rather the bottom appears to be sound and the plywood is tight to the keel in most spots. I have reefed out areas forward where I have the biggest oil contamination problem and right under the engine. The rest of the seams on both sides of the keel are tight. I can't get even a knife blade or putty knife in there. I'm going to follow your suggestion and Dremel out the areas that are bad and then try the oil dry with a solvent and see if I can get things cleaned up enough that some 5200 will bond. Thansk so much for your help.
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8122pbrainard
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Steve, The Xylene and Toulene are right next to each other in their evaporation rate and their solvency. Not much difference. Also, nothing will dissolve cured silicone. The goo that Bill is seeing may be oil,paint and previous caulking leftovers. It is a problem that really the only real fix is to remove the ply, clean and then rebed the full joint with 5200 and not just the edge of the seam.
Bill, Is the ply tight to the frames? Any loose screws? |
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RainDog
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Bill,
I had some xylene left over from thinning epoxy. I used it to clean up some wet 5200 that oozed out after I replaced a part on the hull. It dissolved it easily. Maybe it would dissolve that silicone as well? Any thoughts Pete? |
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8122pbrainard
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Bill, The oil dry is the granulated clay product that you spread on the floor to soak up the oil. Plain cheap cat litter is the same stuff. You can grind it to a finer powder by walking on it and then sweeping it up. It will get into a smaller crack that way.
The 5200 is pretty forgiving on oily woods. There are primers for teak. I know Sika makes one. |
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billlong
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Pete, thanks for the reply. I hate silicone too! Is there any good use for that stuff? A Dremel I have and toulene I can get. What is oil dry? I'm not familiar with that product. Do you think there's a chance that I'll be able to get the seams oil free enough that a proper caulking will adhere?
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8122pbrainard
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Bill, Without flipping the boat over, you have gravity against you!! Brush some acetone into the seam to see if it may break down the goop. Mix a poultice of oil dry and a mild evaporating solvent like toulene and see if you can get some into the seam. You may also need to route them out with the Dremel tool and a small 1/8" dia. burr.
Damn, I hate silicone!! |
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billlong
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I'm making good progress. my CC Compact Skier is looking better every day...Ran into a big problem however. I'm in the process of cleaning up the bottom and working hard on the the seams on both sides of the keel. Over the years previous people have slathered silicon caulk along the seams, then painted over it and later added more silicone. Obviously the boat leaks. I'm removing the silicone and having a hard time because over time and contaminated with paint and oil it has become sticky and gooey. I've tried lacquer thinner and acetone but neither solves the silicone so I'm rubbing and sanding. Anyone know of a better solvent? But, there's a bigger problem. Pete mentioned that likely I was going to find that the seams were contaminated with oil. Pete you were absolutely right I have about 18" of an oily mess about 3' back from the bow about where the bilge pump is located. My guess is that when the boat was put away some water mixed with oil was in the bilge and it puddled right in that spot. Anyone know how to degrease the area so that a new caulking will stick? (something like 3M 5200)
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8122pbrainard
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Bill, I would just go down to Napa or equal and see what they say. It shouldn't be a problem but do avoid the big auto parts store chains. I avoid them anyway!!!
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Pete, marineengine.com does have the engine manual that I want, but they do not have any Interceptor parts. Do you know of a source? I need immediately a set of valve cover gaskets.
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[QUOTE=MaddMarxx] Best of show
As well it should be: what a beautiful job, Pete. Really enjoy the knowledge you share in your posts. john |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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8122pbrainard
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MM, That is a great picture. I like the way you caught the Correct Craft on the burgee. Thanks.
Bill, A new intake manifold wouldn't have been needed. The single carb used the same manifold with a block off plate over the other hole. |
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Best of show
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billlong
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Pete, I haven't had the guts to pull back the upholstery on the dog house but now that it is cleaned up better I found that it is stamped underneath with the same M165 number that I have found elsewhere on the boat. I did notice however that the dog house is about 4 inches shorter than you'd like it to be. It's so tight on the aft end that the shift linkage hits it when moved into reverse and the forward end is so tight the bolts that secure the water pump pulley have ground a hole 1/2 way through the plywood. If you look at the picture of my engine above (before cleaning) it looks like the forward end is rusted. It's not rust it's sawdust! So if this boat had a 6 cyl in-line originally, owners along the way swapped that out for a V-8, then did a manifold change to add a second carb, then swapped out the trans for a V/D and then upholstered the whole boat....whew!! This is getting so interesting I hope someday to know the whole story. I see you took Best of Show...CONGRATULATIONS!!!
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8122pbrainard
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Bill, It was our ref. section that started me thinking it wasn't the original engine plus the length of the Compact would be more likely to have the 6 cyl. The 85hp Interceptor would be the Ford 144ci. and the 100hp would be the Ford 170ci.both in-line 6's.
You can get a manual for the engine at marineengine.com Internal parts really shouldn't be a problem. |
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Pete, thanks so much, that's great information! Things don't square up with the Reference section on this site however. Page three of the Compact Skier price pages lists two Interceptor engine options the largest being 100 hp. What engine would you gess that is an in-line 6 maybe? Anyway I'm on my way cleaning the boat up and putting things back together, My seller gave me the boat and a couple of boxes of parts that he took off of it 14 years ago when he refinished it. I'm a long ways from being able to start the engine as I'm replacing most of the wiring,rerouting the shift cable and making some new floor boards. Starting the engine will be a project all to itself as I will want to proceed carefully and make sure all of the systems work and are cleaned before I "turn the key". do you think I will be able to get a manual and future parts for the engine?
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8122pbrainard
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Bill, I just got back from Wisconsin and of coarse not too excited about work tomorrow but that is life for me at this point! I have the book out and the first thing is it seems that a previous owner has been doing some "hot rodding" with the addition of the second carb. The "A" states it is the 256ci. single carb (135hp). A "B" engine would be the 256ci. dual carb (150hp). The next "1" is the equipment code and says it came with the Dearbomatic 1:1 (not the Velvet you have - so you are correct that it has been changed out). It also has a Sherwood water pump, special engine mounts and Mallory ignition, The "R" is the RH reverse rotation. The "2" says it was made in 1962 and the next numbers are the actual serial # of the engine.
Bill, take a peek under the upholstery on the dog house!! |
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billlong
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Hi Pete, I took another look at the engine numbers and now that I have things cleaned up better I found that you are correct I had missed one letter. So, the correct number is Interceptor No. A1R 211583. The Compact Skier information on this sight says that the original boat did not have upholstered seats but rather finished in varnish. The photos show that the engine box is also varnished so I'm going to guess that someone along the way spent the money to upholster the whole boat. I'm sure all of the wood used in the seats is original because all of the pieces are stamped with the M165 number that I have found up under the foredeck. Thanks for your continued help.
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8122pbrainard
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Bill, Take a look at the engine # again. I think you have some numbers missing. I think there should be more in front of the "R". It would be the equipment code and will tell what trans came on it from Interceptor. It does sound like something has been changed over the years. I have seen CC do some weird things but never put in lag bolts on a angle. The CS on the hull ID confirms that it is a Compact Skier. The upholstered dog house still bothers me and I think something was done there. It should be varnished plywood.
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Bill, I'm in northern Wis. on vacation. Not having a computer up here, I'm at the library and they only give you a 1/2 hour. I'll be back home on Tue. Right now I have a Acme prop to try on my Tique. We'll talk later!
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Hi Pete & Joe...I'm back. finally got the boat picked up and home in my garage. Here's some of the information that was missing from our previous conversations. The boat's title shows it as manufactured in 1962. The title shows the hull number as CS434. I have found the number M165 stamped into several of the wooden components such as the seat backs and under the fordeck so I'm curious about why there are two numbers. On the front of the engine above the tach drive is stamped Interceptor No. 1R 211583. The name tag on the transmission says Velvet Drive model
10-17-004. And then there is a serial number. The motor box is made from mahogany plywood, varnished on the inside and upholstered on the outside. I looked carefully and cannot see any left over holes, cut-out wood or anything else that would indicate that the engine was not the original. The transmission however is a different story. The mounts for the transmission which are also the rear mounts for the engine are slightly wider than the engine stringers. Because of this the bolts (they may be lag bolts) that pass through the mounts into the stringers are at an angle rather then straight up and down like you would expect. There are wedges under these mounts that don't match the type of wood used elsewhere in the boat so I'm thinking that perhaps the transmission has been replaced. So, with this information I hope you can help me learn more about my boat. |
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Thanks for the tip Pete, I'll treat these manifolds with care. In a few weeks when I get further into the project I'll be asking for some direction on where to find parts for things like water pumps etc.
Paul, thanks very much, 1st happiest day of my life! Love your 63, nice deck candy! |
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Bill, Congrat's on the boat! Paul, |
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Pete you are the man with a lot of knowledge of these old boats. what a pleasure to meet and to talk w/you at G/ Lake. boat dr
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